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Old 04-13-2012, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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One criticism I have heard about 3CDC from the Cincinnati posters is that it does not focus on anything outside the immediate downtown.
And neither should it. From their site:

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The Cincinnati Center City Development Corp. (3CDC) is a 501(c) 3, tax-exempt, private, non-profit corporation. Its mission and strategic focus is to strengthen the core assets of downtown by revitalizing and connecting the Fountain Square District, the Central Business District and Over-the-Rhine (OTR).

Working together with the City of Cincinnati, the State of Ohio and members of Cincinnati's corporate community, 3CDC is committed to establishing a model of excellence and success when it comes to redeveloping and investing in Cincinnati's urban core.
Really, if the urban core is strong, vibrant, and densely populated then other neighborhoods will fill as a result of the cities growth.
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:26 PM
 
Location: A voice of truth, shouted down by fools.
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There is a virtuous cycle of business building in a region, staying established, growing there, attracting other businesses to come to or stay in the region, and fostering a local environment where businesses can start in the first place in a region. The clearest modern example of this is Silicon Valley.

Dayton has not seen this virtuous cycle in place for over 30 years - it has been nothing but decline in that period. And virtuous cycles break down and vanish over time.

Business may not like the local attitudes or culture, local labor unions, the climate even, or the unfashionability of a region. Dayton was always known for combative labor unions and that in part drove out business.

Also Dayton is simply not regarded as a cool place to base a newer type of business such as technology. Witness NCR moving to Atlanta, the CEO simply did not believe that Dayton was good enough for NCR and disliked Dayton.

Much of this is purely regional prejudice based: the narrative goes that Ohio and the Dayton area loser areas, are slow, are backward, are retrograde, are ant-creativity, are provincial in an irritating way. Some of this is based on reality but even without that, Ohio just has a non-image when it comes to growth sectors of the economy. You'd expect to see a paper mill in Ohio. You would not expect to see an economically significant cluster of high value added dot com companies here.

In reality this is a stupid prejudice to have: you can scrape up high tech workers here fairly easily and commercial rents and space in Dayton are quite low. A business based in Dayton potentially can do just as well in Dayton as it can in Santa Clara, or Boston, or Atlanta.

But trying convincing CEOs that. They just want no part of the image or lack thereof that Dayton has.

Some here may disagree on the particulars. But I think anyone who is familiar with Dayton's track over the last half century would agree that Dayton's decline as a business center became sort of an avalanche - and there is not one thing or even a set of things that local government could do to fix the "bleeding" or build it back up.

In short, it's beyond any governmental power to fix. It's image based.

So this is to answer the question "why government is allowing this to happen." Answer, it has its own dynamic and the train left that station long ago.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati (Norwood)
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^ A provocative analysis of one of the most difficult problems to ail Dayton, Ohioan58--I'd rep you again, but I was told to spread the pts. around.
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Old 04-14-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: NKY's Campbell Co.
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^^I agree with most of the generalizations about Dayton. Especially when it comes to technology. I stand by the meds, feds, eds argument for jobs in the Dayton region. Outside of that, there was manufacturing.

There is little to nothing in technology or engineering outside of WPAFB. That exception is ruled by the closed culture of the base (security clearances and most workers are just "passing through" going to other jobs in the federal/defense system).

I would be careful to say all of Ohio is like this. There are many banking/financial, insurance, retail, medical, educational, etc strong points to Ohio as a whole.

Huntington, 5/3, Chase, Key Bank, Progressive, Nationwide, Limited, A&F, their spin-offs, Kroger, OSU, Miami U, UD, Case Western, Cleveland Clinic, Cincinnati Children's, and many others have HQ's, roots or major bases in Ohio. However, has Dayton seen any of that in the past 30 years. Not really. At least not much.
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