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Old 12-11-2013, 10:29 PM
 
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If crime and assaults weren't an issue the Dayton PD presence would not be what it is at the fair. We were almost tripping over cops when we went last year.

I still meant "ghetto" in the overall sense of decayed and decrepit. Amandar whatever, you selectively target what you want to like a typical PC zealot. The fairgrounds look like crap and there is probably no will to invest to bring the property up to a better standard.

The entire point of a county fair is to highlight agricultural workers and products, and allow companies to market to them. I detest the eradication of history as much as anyone, but the fairgrounds has completely outlived its purpose where it is. Nobody cares about the current fair. Sadly, I think it's right to let the property go, since Dayton seems to be absolutely incapable of preserving history anyway. It may as well be a vanilla office park.

A Brookville site is right in the middle of what is now Montgomery County farm country. Even though it will be sort of a "Preble County East" fair in essence. It should do well there.
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Old 12-12-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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What would your dream development at the presemt fairgrounds site be? What would the worst be?
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Old 12-13-2013, 03:08 AM
 
Location: Beavercreek, OH
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What would your dream development at the presemt fairgrounds site be? What would the worst be?
robertbrianbush--

My dream development is a mixed-use residential/shopping center, although I'm not sure how well residential will get any traction that close to Miami Valley Hospital what with all the helicopters taking off from there.

The worst? Miller-Valentine buys the land, submits a proposal to develop it, and Nan Whaley and the rest of the Democrat-dominated city and county commissioners find a stupid way to torpedo the plan. Which leaves the site empty and unused for years.
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Old 12-13-2013, 05:56 PM
 
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Default Article About Sale in Dayton Business Journal

Fair board to move forward with sale of fairgrounds - Dayton Business Journal
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Old 12-14-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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Some fantastic redevelopment ideas here. Any of them would significantly enhace
the region/city/neighborhood. My nightmare scenarios would be that it becomes hostage to
some protracted dispute between the developer and the powers that be, as one poster
has already alluded to...or that the part of it away from Stewart Street, (I am assuming here that the part of the
property abutting Stewart Street will be developed with some sort of job producing improvement(s) regardless
of what is done with the rest of the property) simply becomes a giant surface parking lot

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Old 12-14-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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Great. It long outlived its usefulness at its present location.
While I haven't been to the Montgomery County Fair since the mid-90s, I loved the location. Central and accessible. The new site doesn't offer the same accessibility.

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ABut the job of building attendance will be much easier in a clean, rural new location.
Clean and new at a county fair sounds like no fun at all.
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Old 12-16-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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I guess relocating it to western Montgomery County sort-of makes sense since it's still pretty rural out there.

A good model for this site (and the adjacent UD site) would be the Arena District in Columbus:

http://arenadistrict.com/map/

...tho this has a big eat/drink component which would never work here in Dayton....the concept or site planning could be used for an office park, too...which is probably what's on tap for the site (I dont see it as residential). I can see this being a sort of in-town office park, associated with UD and MVH. Something on both sides of Stewart Street.

You already have the start of this with that green glass building at Patterson and Stewart, the new GE lab on the UD property, Cox Enterprises, the credit union, and that Marriott. So just continue the concept, continue what's already going on down there, but onto the Fairgrounds site.

It does have somewhat good access from the interstate system via the Edwin C Moses interchange.

In terms of urban design I don't hold out much hope for them to do something interestingly new-urbanist, beyond the usual lame parking & landscaping intensive suburban style site planning that they usually do here for new in-town developements. Expectations are pretty low....
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Old 12-16-2013, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Covington, KY
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I guess relocating it to western Montgomery County sort-of makes sense since it's still pretty rural out there.

A good model for this site (and the adjacent UD site) would be the Arena District in Columbus:

http://arenadistrict.com/map/

...tho this has a big eat/drink component which would never work here in Dayton....the concept or site planning could be used for an office park, too...which is probably what's on tap for the site (I dont see it as residential). I can see this being a sort of in-town office park, associated with UD and MVH. Something on both sides of Stewart Street.

You already have the start of this with that green glass building at Patterson and Stewart, the new GE lab on the UD property, Cox Enterprises, the credit union, and that Marriott. So just continue the concept, continue what's already going on down there, but onto the Fairgrounds site.

It does have somewhat good access from the interstate system via the Edwin C Moses interchange.

In terms of urban design I don't hold out much hope for them to do something interestingly new-urbanist, beyond the usual lame parking & landscaping intensive suburban style site planning that they usually do here for new in-town developements. Expectations are pretty low....

...hideous ... glass building....
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Old 12-27-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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An update:

Rezoning for fairgrounds could come quickly | www.mydaytondailynews.com
(behind the paywall)

Basically says Brookville is trying to get re-zoning processed as fast as possible for the Fairgrounds.
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Old 02-22-2014, 09:07 AM
 
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Update: Miller Valentine is working with JR Anderson of Cincinnati to develop the Fairgrounds site

Firm hired to bring retail to fairgrounds site | www.daytondailynews.com


If anyone is familiar with Lexington, they currently manage Victorian square downtown.
Welcome to Victorian Square :: Victorian Square Shoppes & Entertainment


... along with a ton of suburban-style stuff. I'm really hoping the Fairgrounds site does not turn into some ugly strip mall...
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