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Old 07-07-2015, 08:30 PM
 
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New regionalism talk:

Dayton-county merger could mean fewer politicians, ex-mayor says | www.mydaytondailynews.com
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:57 PM
 
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and Esrati's commentary:

Faux regionalism plan finds foes pre-launch: must be good – Esrati
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Old 07-08-2015, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Beavercreek, OH
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To quote myself on Esrati's page (and to repeat what I've said before...)

"Nan doesn't deserve to govern a shrimp stall, much less all of Montgomery County."
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Old 07-08-2015, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Covington, KY
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Quote Esrati:

That Owens' hates it- has to mean it's a step in the right direction. Unquote.

That Paul Leonard is partly running it has to mean the best interests of Dayton are inconsequential.

(If Nan doesn't agree, back Nan.)
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Old 07-09-2015, 11:54 PM
 
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What will Dayton's official population be if this passes? It seems like a good idea, do you think the voters will approve it if it is put to a vote?
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Old 07-10-2015, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Beavercreek, OH
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What will Dayton's official population be if this passes? It seems like a good idea, do you think the voters will approve it if it is put to a vote?
The county's population is around 530,000

This is something that would never pass a popular vote - nobody outside of Dayton would ever in their right minds vote for such a merger as items suburban tax dollars would be funneled in to prop up a failing city: worse still, the school district lines would be blurred and cause still more problems.

If this happens at all, it will happen over the noisy opposition of almost every suburban jurisdiction... Which is why I think merger is a nonstarter.

Dayton has to prove to its neighbors that it can succeed on its own before others will join, because as of now it's still a sinking ship that many of the passengers are trying to leave.
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Old 07-10-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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Based on the Dayton Daily News: Group launches Dayton-Montgomery County merger effort

Dayton Montgomery County merger | www.mydaytondailynews.com

Apparently the idea now is to bypass the city and try and merge the townships only into the combined city-county. That would be intriguing. One: how big is this city really going to be? Two: how would a county and city government work with the city part only going for a small part of it? Three: I see the rural and suburban townships screaming and kicking about it.
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Old 07-10-2015, 12:05 PM
 
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So I guess if Cincy and Dayton were to merge into a single CSA, it would be called the Dayton-Cincinnati CSA, or the Dayton Metropolitan Area. This would go over real well with the folks in Cincy!!! Think about it, Cincinnati would actually be a suburb of Dayton!!! Amazing!!
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Old 07-10-2015, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Based on the Dayton Daily News: Group launches Dayton-Montgomery County merger effort

Dayton Montgomery County merger | www.mydaytondailynews.com

Apparently the idea now is to bypass the city and try and merge the townships only into the combined city-county. That would be intriguing. One: how big is this city really going to be? Two: how would a county and city government work with the city part only going for a small part of it? Three: I see the rural and suburban townships screaming and kicking about it.
Merger via popular vote is a nonstarter because almost nobody in a suburban jurisdiction wants to be a part of Dayton.

Does an Oakwood resident want to pay Dayton city tax and send his or her children to Dayton public schools and in return receive services from Dayton City Hall? Dayton can't even plow or salt its streets in the winter time - much less provide adequate public safety, good schools, or other amenities are are essential to a thriving city.

What about Washington Township? Centerville? Kettering? Huber Heights? The answer in all of these cases is a decisive "no" because services in almost all cases are provided far better locally.

Washington Township and Centerville voted on a merger a few years back, which failed in the township by a big margin (although it did pass in the city). If they won't merge with Centerville... why would they merge with Dayton?

Historically speaking, townships have been unwilling to allow themselves to be annexed to Dayton - see Van Buren Township for an excellent example of this. Ditto Mad River Township... both of these, when faced with annexation by Dayton, decided to incorporate as discrete entities instead.

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Could a merger still happen? Sure - if Dayton and the Montgomery County Democratic Party somehow strongarm a local elected official to do it without first telling the voters. But undoubtedly the next township trustee's meeting will be packed with noisy opposition to the deal.
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Old 07-10-2015, 04:41 PM
 
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What about Washington Township? Centerville? Kettering? Huber Heights? The answer in all of these cases is a decisive "no" because services in almost all cases are provided far better locally.
Question: is it a requirement that BOTH the city and the township separately vote in the majority to merge?

Also, the whole process evidently is that incorporated cities, such as Centerville, Kettering, and Huber won't be part of it - if I read that article right. I suspect that makes a difference.
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