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Old 08-12-2014, 11:18 PM
 
Location: In a happy place
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And the footage is still part of an ongoing investigation by state officials.
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Old 08-13-2014, 11:39 AM
 
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Here you go:

DDN - Man Shot in Walmart Over Fake Gun

This article gives the account of LeeCee Johnson, the man's baby momma. According to her she heard him say "it's not real" and then he was put down. If we all made up our minds about who was at fault here based off of the information that has been released, somebody would be wrong because somebody isn't telling the whole truth.
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Old 08-15-2014, 10:46 PM
 
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Feeds well into this discussion IMO

This Time, It's Different: The Conservative Response to Ferguson - The Atlantic
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Old 08-16-2014, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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NYC, LA, St Louis, Dayton....it's been happening everywhere this month, and surely not a coincidence.
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Old 08-16-2014, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Covington, KY
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Let's at least say something if not clear up something here.

 
The reports say the man had both a "baby momma" and a girlfriend. Now, as I understand it, a "baby momma" is not the same thing as "She (meaning a wife or an ex-wife a man does not want consider ever having been a wife) is the mother of my kids."

 
It's a different social order. The male provides a degree of protection maybe even some help around the place and the woman provides the likes of babies which can among other things guarantee some food and shelter, not even necessarily from the state as some employers will give preferential treatment to people who have dependent children. ...That could explain the interest in the gun. "Baby momma" would be an outright denial of a common-law marriage.

 
That social order may be ill-defined, but it exists both with and without children. It's somewhere between standard marriage and outright single-living.

 

 
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Old 08-16-2014, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Beavercreek, OH
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It's not part of a sea change. People who were tough on crime are still tough on crime, it's still a winning issue, and given the lack of suburban residents who want to enter the city based on "safety" issues, crime is still a serious problem. Yes, it's declined in absolute terms, but it's still too high.

What Rand Paul was talking about, and rightly so, is police who respond to riots looking like this:



There is a such thing as "force appropriate response", which the police are failing to do here. First they show up ready to fight a war, and then now they're doing nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Today in Ferguson, there was another round of rioting and looting. Looting which, may I remind you, has absolutely nothing to do with the actual death of a person. It's just opportunistic crime which shows how quickly some people will commit a crime if given a clear chance to do so. All they're doing is destroying their own neighborhood.

Under state highway patrol jurisdiction, the police are now doing nothing to stop looters, and are just standing by as stores burn down: Looting, confrontation mar Ferguson's streets once more - CNN.com

There's a precedent for this when police fail to stop a looting mob: businesses get destroyed. A few will defend themselves with force (the Korean shopkeepers during the LA riots come to mind, and it has happened in Ferguson too, when shop owners are forced to defend their property with guns). But the majority, if they aren't burned out, will close up shop shortly thereafter. Leaving all the talking heads over at City Hall scratching their heads wondering why the town is so blighted.

We have precedent for this... are you too young to remember the OTR riots in 2001? Many stores were destroyed along Main and Vine Streets, and in the years that followed businesses left and crime skyrocketed. Three days of rioting set back the redevelopment of a neighborhood by a decade or more.
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Old 08-17-2014, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Five Oaks
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There's a precedent for this when police fail to stop a looting mob: businesses get destroyed. A few will defend themselves with force (the Korean shopkeepers during the LA riots come to mind, and it has happened in Ferguson too, when shop owners are forced to defend their property with guns).
Not comparable. Do you know why there was a specific focus on the Korean businesses during the riots in 1992? That conflict was going to happen, regardless of the riots---the riots just pushed the date up.
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Old 08-17-2014, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Not comparable. Do you know why there was a specific focus on the Korean businesses during the riots in 1992? That conflict was going to happen, regardless of the riots---the riots just pushed the date up.
The same reason there was a specific focus on the shop owners in Ferguson (who seemed to be all white): they were from another race.

The fact that so many of these things are turned into racial issues when it's really a thug issue sickens me.
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Old 08-17-2014, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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It is a race issue, though. The fact you assume anyone shot by a cop is automatically a thug is a major part of the problem.

Reminds me of the movie Do the Right Thing years ago. White audience members were upset Spike Lee's character turned on his boss and trashed his store, while the black audience focused on the cop killing the black guy.

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Old 08-17-2014, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Seattle Area
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The case could not be any clearer. Man enters store and points, what any reasonable person thinks is a gun, at them. Police get called and they to see a man with a gun. Not a man with a toy, but a man with a gun. They told him to stop put down the gun or something like that. He doesn't and gets shot. Textbook police procedure in any city in the US.

Lesson to learn, don't ever point anything at a cop and do exactly what you are told when a gun is pointed at you. Would have solved all problems in this case and in the recent Ferguson shooting.
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