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Old 09-13-2018, 01:38 PM
 
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This recent NBC news story compared the Columbus and Ohio economies.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...conomy-n904766

There was no mention of the significant multiplier effect that the Columbus economy receives as the state capital -- tax dollars from around the state fund state government, providing a steady inflow of funds to Columbus.

What was interesting is that Montgomery County voted for Trump in 2016 given his promises to boost the U.S. manufacturing economy.
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Old 09-13-2018, 07:10 PM
 
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This recent NBC news story compared the Columbus and Ohio economies.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...conomy-n904766

There was no mention of the significant multiplier effect that the Columbus economy receives as the state capital -- tax dollars from around the state fund state government, providing a steady inflow of funds to Columbus.

What was interesting is that Montgomery County voted for Trump in 2016 given his promises to boost the U.S. manufacturing economy.
People in the area and state in general tend to vote for populists. It's why Sherrod Brown continues to be re-elected but HRC lost by a huge margin.

Much was made about Fuyao opening an operation in the old GM plant in Moraine, but the pay is fairly low, work is dangerous, and they were able to resist the workers organizing a union. So, not much in the way of good news, outside of some skilled manufacturing operations which generally require engineering degree/experience (and a clean drug test).
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Old 09-13-2018, 11:39 PM
 
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People in the area and state in general tend to vote for populists. It's why Sherrod Brown continues to be re-elected but HRC lost by a huge margin.

Much was made about Fuyao opening an operation in the old GM plant in Moraine, but the pay is fairly low, work is dangerous, and they were able to resist the workers organizing a union. So, not much in the way of good news, outside of some skilled manufacturing operations which generally require engineering degree/experience (and a clean drug test).
What concerns me is that the Chinese control the technology used in Dayton. The top talent who actually control the R&D and the engineering likely are Chinese, and more likely trained at U.S. universities.

Is the Chinese Dayton glass operation indirectly subsidized by the Chinese government? Does it pay Dayton workers less than PPG pays in its U.S. plants? Will Chinese competition eventually force PPG to abandon the windshield glass market? Then what?

PPG Auto Glass - Were Is It Made - CPR Auto Glass Repair

In industry after industry, the U.S. is losing its pre-eminence. The Chinese now are gearing up to make a massive push into semi-conductors, even using brazen intellectual theft to enter the market.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/t...ips-theft.html

Sun Tzu, author of the "Art of War," emphasized the importance of defeating the enemy before the battle was even begun. He would be so proud of the Chinese today.

Despite their cheap labor, the Chinese are skunking us in industry after industry, including even industrial robots.

The Robotics Industry in China - China Briefing News
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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What concerns me is that the Chinese control the technology used in Dayton. The top talent who actually control the R&D and the engineering likely are Chinese, and more likely trained at U.S. universities.

Is the Chinese Dayton glass operation indirectly subsidized by the Chinese government? Does it pay Dayton workers less than PPG pays in its U.S. plants? Will Chinese competition eventually force PPG to abandon the windshield glass market? Then what?

PPG Auto Glass - Were Is It Made - CPR Auto Glass Repair

In industry after industry, the U.S. is losing its pre-eminence. The Chinese now are gearing up to make a massive push into semi-conductors, even using brazen intellectual theft to enter the market.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/22/t...ips-theft.html

Sun Tzu, author of the "Art of War," emphasized the importance of defeating the enemy before the battle was even begun. He would be so proud of the Chinese today.

Despite their cheap labor, the Chinese are skunking us in industry after industry, including even industrial robots.

The Robotics Industry in China - China Briefing News
Why doesn't Dayton return to it's pre-World War 2 self - a tech hub like Silicon Valley?
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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Why doesn't Dayton return to it's pre-World War 2 self - a tech hub like Silicon Valley?
That's easier said than done. Places of creative genius, and I place Dayton on the list, have several things in common, according to author Eric Weiner (The Geography of Genius): diversity, discernment, and disorder. They are the so-called secret sauce of places like Silicon Valley. I'm not sure Dayton has that any longer. Could it be recreated? Maybe, but it probably wouldn't come easily.
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Old 09-16-2018, 06:48 AM
 
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At first I thought, "Ho-hum, another story of rust belt deindustrialization.". But since one of my fraternity brothers was a big Dayton booster, and everyone I know from that area talked about it as a thriving area, I decided to watch it. Yes, it has fallen far. It's telling that NCR moved out because it couldn't recruit new hires to Dayton. The number of people employed there has returned to previous levels, but not at previous wage levels.
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Old 09-16-2018, 08:32 AM
 
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NCR left because the CEO at the time, Bill Nuti, didn't like commuting to Dayton. He lived in or around NYC at the time. Or so I heard. Regardless, Dayton can be hard to attract people to, but since they moved to Norcross (or was it Duluth?), they moved again to midtown Atlanta, so obviously the corporate board from the last 10-15 years has no concern for place. But that's nothing new in corporate America. Most companies are that way now. Moving with the tax breaks, not always fulfilling promises.

It is a huge reason why Jobs Ohio now requires companies to reach quotas or have to pay back their tax breaks. Of course, I am sure there are ways for corporations to get around those requirements. Always seems they are.

Last edited by wrightflyer; 09-16-2018 at 08:34 AM.. Reason: Added CEO Name... Maybe for shaming
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Old 09-17-2018, 07:59 AM
 
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It's telling that NCR moved out because it couldn't recruit new hires to Dayton.


That is a bogus statement.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Dayton, OH
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That is a bogus statement.
This is one of the reasons given in the documentary.
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Old 09-19-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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This is one of the reasons given in the documentary.
Those are just code words for "we do not want to pay market wages". What they really meant was "they could not recruit new hires to Dayton willing to work for little more than minimum wage."
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