Englewood, Clayton area... the good, the bad and the ugly?

[nickolaseposter]

Actually, in my message I didn't say ther WAS a super-target or a movie theater. I said that that UPCOMING is a Super Target and a movie theater. Vandalia-Butler DOES rank better than Beavercreek and Springboro on the National Department of Education rankings website, and the development on Peters Pike WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE GREENE! On the city of Vandalia website the plan shows what is described as a lifestyle center. Vandalia-Butler is a much better better community than that of Englewood/Clayton. The development for Villages of North Clayton is not doing very. yes ....it is near a highway, but it is not right next to it, it is off the highway and up the road and then around the turn. It also sits out in a cornfield with other premature development. I have talked to a gentlemen for Beerman Realty (who owns land near Hoke Road) and also lives in a development in Englewood who says that he doesn't expect the area to do develop as much as expected. The Villages of north Clayton is a flunk. STOP investing your time into something that isn't doing well! It has sat there going on three years and the development has gained three tenants. Big whoop! The Greene gained about 120 in less time than that. Miller Lane gained about 15 more tenants in the pass two years. Honestly, Englewood was an excellent community, better than Vandalia about two decades ago but the overall city just does not have the big advantages that Vandalia-Butler has. I'm sorry. It's just honesty. Vandalia-Butler has a full plan to redevelop and reinvent the city. They have the international airport. They have I-70, I-75, and the AAR! They have a strong growing business base. They have a huge new school revitilization project in the works. Englewood sits as a community that doesn't want to move forward but remain small and boring. It will never amount to Vandalia's success and it's obvious future success.

[JefferyT]

...and the development on Peters Pike WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE GREENE! On the city of Vandalia website the plan shows what is described as a lifestyle center.

Actually,no, what is shown is a large, office-oriented PUD, somewhat similar to the Wright Executive Center off Colonel Glenn (even with the landscaped parking), but quite a bit larger (as befits the location near the airport). It will be akin to a better-planned Rosemont (next to O'Hare, if one is familiar with Chicago).

The retail component looks like an L-shaped strp center and big box. Its not a lifestyle center, and TYPING IN CAPS will not make it one. The facts are evident from the graphic.

[wrightflyer]

I too have seen the plans on this Stonequarry Crossing as I believe they are (were?) calling it. Unless there are new renderings that I have not seen (and if so, provide a link please), I saw that the extent of the shopping would be something along the lines of Valle Greene of I-675 and Dayton Yellow Springs. Basically, it will be a 200,000+/- sqft strip center with a Kroger and/or other big box store(s).

Granted, will it be nice? Sure, it will probably do well since that area is more underserved/less oversaturated in the retail market. I haven't seen actual building renderings so I don't know if it will have a main street look or not.

[nickolaseposter]

That rendering is proposed as a retail strip. It isn't zoned that that's the ONLY thing that can go there! You don't know what your'e talking about. Steiner + Associates said in Business at the Crossroads (which only Vandalia and Butler Township citizens get from the city in the mail so if you're not a citizen thats why you might not know) that they planned on putting a lifestyle center there once the office development is nearly bought off. They said that if the office land isn't zoned off by 2015 then they would either sell the land back to University of Dayton or sell it to a residential developer like SINGER Properties. The reason the city has a rendering of a strip mall center is because the rendering was drawn about two years ago before they even put piping in! So I do know what I am talking about and I will USE CAPS!