Downtown Dayton - The Urban Alternative to the Suburbs (Oregon: real estate, rentals)

[Daytonnatian]

First off, there aren't liberal politics behind it. Most of the big buildings that make those cities are run by very right wing people. I think you're getting business mixed up with culture. Culturally- yes those are liberal cities, business- not so much. Not so much at all. And if you want to argue that you're an idiot.

Secondly, the list you gave of restaurants has about thirty restaurants on it. Ahem. Thirty. Again. Ahem. Thirty. Not alot. Compare the size od downtown Dayton to that size of an area in manahattan or chicago and you would find probably about 150 different restaurants.

And what does Caresource have to do with anything? Is there a secret track down on the seventh floor we don't know about. That doesn't relate to health except for the fact that is a partially-government run facility that organizes a government run health program. Ahem. Liberalism.

Lastly, if there weren't conservatives in cities like Portland or Seattle or New York or Chicago building big office towers for people to work in, then those restaurants on the first floor wouldn't be open, would they? Disagree? Here's my proof: Dayton has a 25% vacancy rate in it's office towers, do you see business booming downtown, no you don't. It's not because there are liberals. Yes there might be a few liberal big business owners. But the people that generally offer jobs, small business, big business, coporations, are generally conservative.

And a Dayton Dragon's game. ONE ammentity, that's during the summer ONLY.
Are you kidding me? Quit makign excuses, start getting. I'm not saying throw out the liberals because whether your a democrat or a republican it doesn't matter- there's a market for that downtown. But to say the generally conservative suburbanites don't want to go downtown is a dumb statement. Before the 1970's when there where still alot of stores downtown, and more things to do, people from all over would go downtown. Ask any of your grandparents.
And like I said. Just because you live downtown doesn't mean you have a clear outlook on the city. It will obviously be biased. Perhaps there are things you know that I don't. But I think there are things we can all learn from eachother. And if we ever want Dayton to be the city that it once was or even better, we're gonna have to get past the fact that we have differences, and work together in the most honest, fair, and positive way possible.

Okay, the main point of my post that you're responding to is that Dayton has some great things, and we need to build on them. I also suggested the liberal business model may be the best to follow because of its success in the decidely liberal cities that I listed (trust me, start telling one of the locals about how great Bush was or Palin is and see what kind of reaction you get...).

Anyways, to sum it all up: Dayton is a great city, and I can tell from this board that we have much diversity, along with just being in the city itself. We have great people, great industry (some of which is actually commited to town), and really, if we take the right steps now, a great future. We're taking baby steps now, but we are stabilizing, solidifying our industry base, and expanding our amenties, like building new bike trails and bike lanes downtown, and bringing our hospitals up to speed for the "boomer" generation in its increasing age. You can still easily have a night on the town downtown, and have a job in the day there, too (and, SUPRISE! there are also pleanty of places to eat downtown), along with the ability to live in safe, affordable housing in the CBD or the many other areas of town.

Sure, everyone has swooping ideas about what needs to be done here, but in the end, we do smart growth in town. It may be slow, but it happens, and I know it's easy to get frustrated, but please take a step back and look at what we have. I'm sure after doing that you will be able to see what a great city we all share.

[nickolaseposter]

No Dayton shouldn't go liberal. A city shouldn't have a political label at all. It is about community. I am saying that conservatism should be introduced downtown not take over. You don't understand a community at all. Mod cut: Personal attack

[Billy from Dayton]

^ nickolaseposter - here is a message board more suited to your superior intelligence:
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(or is that IluvDYT?)

[nickolaseposter]

I am going to continue to post on here. Just to let you know. I don't care if you report me or tell me to quit. I won't. I think it is stupid that you are trying to get me off of here. yes. I generally do have some negative points of views but I also have positive points of views as well. I think alot of people on here generally have a more liberal perspective and now that they see someone different is on here that is a conservative, they decide to bash me and claim that I'm offensive and wrong. Look at yourselves! Look at your obvious hypocracy! You claim you research information but you base on it on one website. I gave you links. I tell you stuff that the CITY of Vandalia sends to it's citizens and you say its lies. Not alot of people live in Vandalia that are on city-data therefore they don't recieve the mail that citizens IN Vandalia get. Here are some things I have been told I have lied about:
A possible shopping experience similar to the Greene on Peters Pike.
Scores on state-standardized testing for districts.
Quality of the City of Huber Heights.

Notice that I apparently have "bashed" in all of these. But did I really? No. It seems that way because people on here are so focused on commiting to the fact that everything I comment on is stupid that they forget that its an opinion.

So before everyone gets their panties in a bunch, remember, this is a forum in which people are aloud to share their opinions, and just because you think they're wrong doesn't mean you have any right whatsoever kicking them off. And if you have a problem with it, let be extremely honest with you. I DON'T CARE. If you knew how stupid you guys sounded sometimes you would et sick. You are way to positive about Dayton. That is why the city is failing. No one and absolutely NO ONE wants to take responsibility and look at the negatives. There are so many things that Dayton does have wrong with it. We have a crappy mayor. We have a bad name. Education sucks and more than most metros our size. Most of the inner city is dirty and awful looking. Crime is high. Downtown is boring to the general public. We have a growing vacancy rate. Most of our suburbs are getting like this, too. There is no realistic plan that will make things work. Large businesses aren't attracted to Dayton. If you want to argue this, then go ahead. But you are just one of the people that constantly prove my point. If you want to be happy, and hopeful you have lever that out with realistic and mean. Dayton always does pointless things to make it look "good" while forgetting that hobos still meander around. Tax dollars continue to go waisted on welfare programs to large masses of people that take their government dollars and spend it on drugs and alcohol. Tax dollars go to waste on roads. Example: the reallining of the highway near downtown is ridiculous. Although it did need fixing, the obvious overspending and massiveness of the project just simply says: I'm a waste."

The point is people on here are way to positive and beig positive is good as long as you look at the negatives and people hardly ever want to realise that re-building downtown is gonna take massive hardwork. Alot of surrounding effort. Alot of money. Not government dollars. An actual diverse commitment. A bipartisan effort.

So all the ultra-liberals that lvie downtown that take offense to this post. Remember what I said. I DON'T CARE. Because whinign and complaining about moral issues that don't even make sense doesn't innovate, doesn't challenge, doesn't venture into the future, it leaves us dead flat on the ground with nothing but a bunch of economic woosies. It leaves us with crap. ABSOLUTE CRAP! If you think I'm wrong or offensive go cry in a corner because the moderator won't and CAN'T take me off of here. And if they did they'd just prove my point further: No one on here is for the good of Dayton. They want Dayton to be a San Fran hippie town with modern architecture, a few rainbow bars and an expensive Starbucks coffee named after some artist who draws squares fro a living.

[OhioLover]

when will the Arcade be open?

[Billy from Dayton]

^ The new owners of the Arcade have a three year time frame maximum (their words). This year they will complete the powerwashing and repair of the exterior facade, next year they begin interior construction.

I've met both Wendel and Gunther (as well as their main investor) and I can tell you that they are the real deal. They have a track record (albeit smaller than the Arcade), the investment money behind them and unlike the majority of developers, they are in it first and foremost to restore the Arcade to its original condition - and then they will work on attracting tenants. In other words, the Arcade couldn't have found better developers.

In fact, Gunther is moving to Dayton this year for the duration of the project. He said he has fallen in love with the city and the community, who have welcomed him and his partners with open arms. Obviously we won't know for sure how successful they will be until they are done, but other developers such as Bob Shiffler (Kuhns Building) have indicated that they are confident in this duo's ability.

[JefferyT]

At the very least we will get a power-washed facade out of the deal.

[JefferyT]

Found this old pic..might be interesting. NE Corner of 4th and Ludlow. You can see parts of the Arcade buildings on the left and right. The low white building was a saloon. The house on the far left looks like a very early double, maybe from the 1850s, based on some visible neoclassical features.



...corner replaced by the Commercial Buidling, filling in the space between the Arcade buildings.

[SpanielGirl]

Wow-this Californian found all of these posts VERY interesting. Let me throw in my 2 cents. My mother's family is from Dayton, I last visited relatives 3 years ago. I found Dayton (proper) clean, fun, and I enjoyed the many trips that I took revisiting places that I knew was a child. We moved when my grandmother died but my mother shared many of her memories with me. Yes, some parts were downtrodden but.....the old houses made me almost cry because my grandparents house was one of the victorians. Built by my grandfather in 1875. For the first wife-my grandmother was the second. I hate to see so many of them boarded up and left for vandals. Our street-Holt Street-needed some TLC but for the most part looked middleclass. The rivers were still the broad and amazing places that I remembered. What we call rivers in California can either be cement canals that the Army Corp of Engineers destroyed years ago (the LA River) or white water treachery in northern California. I saw a lot of business:in Dayton,and in the burbs. Some of the old places-NCR comes to mind-have moved on, but I didn't see too much neglect. Compare downtown Dayton with South Central LA-you will realize how safe and well to do Dayton is. The cemetary where my grandparents are buried was well kept, with no grafitti, and no oddballs hanging out. I felt the history when I realized that when my grandfather buried his first wife, they came in horse and buggies. The universities all seem to be thriving, and from a California point of view, the "traffic" didn't exist. I drove to a lot of burbs-Eaton, Lewisburg,Centerville, Xenia. I had a good time and everyone seemed to have no trouble living their daily lives. The man who discovered Marjolein Bastin for Hallmark, retired from Missouri and moved onto the same street my uncle lived on. He was an artist also, and had plans for a show in the area. So, I don't get the fact that some people feel there is nothing or no one in Dayton. Life is what you make it. Not happy there? It really is a HUGE country! I enjoyed my time in Ohio-especially Dayton. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

[Daytonnatian]

Thank you for your post, SpanielGirl. Wonderful story, and I love your view of the city, especially as an outsider.

Honestly, we've hit a lot of bad luck recently here in Dayton, and it's taken a toll on everyone's morale, mine included, thus leading to all the negativity toward Dayton. Still, what most don't realize is that they should appreciate what's here in town, since we still have some amazing things. Glad to see your thoughts on Dayton, because sometimes us Daytonians get isolated in our little bubble, and think we are MUCH worse off than we really are.