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Old 12-07-2009, 08:37 PM
 
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About the alleged DoD right winger mentality: are we talking active duty personnel, or DoD contractor types who work at the many contractor shops around WPAFB?

I had a high school friend who enlisted in the AF who was our high school's ultimate pothead and he would tell me stories about people he saw in the service who were gay, into Wicca, etc.

I have a theory about some right wing types who continually fulminate about their pet causes. I believe that it's exactly like teenagers having the last word and always being "right." I believe that leisure and lack of cares begets idiotic political lip service. In other words, if you're constantly pissed off by Obama or whoever and yap about it constantly, you need a harder job!

The most aggressive "I need to call you out" types tend to be retirees and others who don't have a lot on their minds.

And I see a lot of defense contractor work (having worked at several DoD places) as being a fairly cushy gig with an inbred culture.

So, maybe the right wing Beavercreek area mentality comes from a well off class of engineers and beancounters who have fairly well set jobs... and who have the time and energy to wallow in their pet causes.

Edit: From looking more closely at the comments immediately preceding I see that we're actually talking about base contractor personnel, AKA "middle class welfare."

Ya know... well paid private sector contract personnel who indirectly are paid by my tax dollars. Pretty much like how the inner city folks have their groceries paid directly out of the tax revenues, by Obama.

Not the active duty people who have actual skin in the game.

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Old 12-07-2009, 09:10 PM
 
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They are just as conservative as everyone else. I ran some precinct numbers once for election results and the precincts that made up the military housing areas are some of the most GOP in Greene and Montgomery Counties.

But yeah, defense spending=welfare for IT and engineering types. I bet these folks were out there earlier in the year on Courthouse Square at that tea party, prostesting big government.

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Old 12-07-2009, 10:03 PM
 
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Perhaps so. (well, geez, you're the statistics maven over on UO so I'd better say "definitely". )

Here is more toward my specific point: take some Army guy sitting in the dust somewhere in Afghanistan, dodging snipers and dealing with locals every day.

Is that specific guy a teabagger? Does that guy have enough spare mental CPU cycles to muster that furious indignation against presumably dusky hoards of welfare recipients feasting on his tax dollars? (I'm indulging a lot of classically non PC middle Amurrican cultural stereotypes with this, I admit.)

I think the answer to my question is, "NO WAY". IMO it requires a significant amount of leisure and lack of cares to be a self righteous !@^*.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:42 AM
 
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Contractors are just part of the same mix about the same as the active, retired etc. The wiccans etc. and potential liberals the guy was telling you about tend to be first termers. They do their time and usually get out (economic hard times tend to change that).

A junior career MSgt I work with I believe went to the Washington DC Tea Party.
Most of the guys I work for think Bush is a lesser God and Obama is dragging us into socialism. Left or right I don't like extreme views. And the Bush types are the ones that are risking their skins (well theoretetically anyway, AF types don't typically actually get involved in combat though more do go to more forward operating bases and do riskier things than they used to) so I don't think that's it.
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Old 12-08-2009, 09:25 AM
 
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Edit: From looking more closely at the comments immediately preceding I see that we're actually talking about base contractor personnel, AKA "middle class welfare."

Ya know... well paid private sector contract personnel who indirectly are paid by my tax dollars. Pretty much like how the inner city folks have their groceries paid directly out of the tax revenues, by Obama.
Interesting. My brother in law is a closet liberal at the Pentagon and recently commented on how his conservative colleagues--none of them have seen active duty in Iraq--rail about "welfare" but have managed to access every possible government perk. They are the go-to guys if you have questions about maximizing military benefits. The irony is lost on them.
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Old 12-08-2009, 10:45 AM
 
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EVERYONE loves welfare! Especially if THEY're getting it and they can rant about how the other guy shouldn't get it! As we've already discussed, I've had the pleasure to work with some awesome DoD civilians and contractors. I've worked with both good & bad people on active duty. I decided I wanted to go trucking when I retired from the USAF. Despite the lure of a great DoD civilian or contractor job and the "fairly cushy gigs and inbred culture" that goes along with them, I still have no regrets that I bust my behind far more hours a week and earn less money had I stayed "under the umbrella"! That just wasn't me.

One of the many perks I have as a trucker is plenty of time to wonder where the millions went that my industry was paid to train us drivers how to watch for terrorists. And I'd like to thank y'all for the subsidy to hang those noisy aux power units on the sides of our trucks. And, BTW, y'all don't mind if I pull a longer (or more than one) trailer so's I can load on LOTS more weight. That way I can make Y'ALL pay for the infrastucture repairs and improvements for me to haul even MORE cheap freight. Many thanks!
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:49 AM
 
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It just goes to show that there's plenty of hypocrisy to go around.

Thanks for being real about it.
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Old 12-08-2009, 08:32 PM
 
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I guess we are seeing topic drift. Since city-data is a place to recommendations for people moving to new places what can we say to wrap up? How about this, a more positive spin on what was discussed:

If you and your family are politically and socially conservative and are relocating to the Dayton region you will find western Greene County (say, Beavercreek, Bellbrook, Sugarcreek Township, Fairborn, Bath Township...essentially the area between Xenia and the Montgomery County line) a congenial environment. You will, more often than not, find like-minded neighbors, co-workers, and employers. And you will find at least two very good public school systems in Sugarcreek and Beavercreek.
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Old 12-08-2009, 08:39 PM
 
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I guess we are seeing topic drift. Since city-data is a place to recommendations for people moving to new places what can we say to wrap up? How about this, a more positive spin on what was discussed:

If you and your family are politically and socially conservative and are relocating to the Dayton region you will find western Greene County (say, Beavercreek, Bellbrook, Sugarcreek Township, Fairborn, Bath Township...essentially the area between Xenia and the Montgomery County line) a congenial environment. You will, more often than not, find like-minded neighbors, co-workers, and employers. And you will find at least two very good public school systems in Sugarcreek and Beavercreek.
Agreed!
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Old 12-10-2009, 02:06 PM
 
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Politics shmolitics. I'm telling anybody. 2012 will be a big test for the American people. I think that is going to be an election where democrat and republican no longer exist because both sides are overly fraudulent. Lets get real- it's gonna be Ameicans vs. Uninformed Idealogs (ON BOTH SIDES)
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