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Old 09-25-2010, 06:35 PM
 
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As i said, it appears to me that people who spout out strong political views do not know what they actually believe.

At no point in that last post is there a mention about the person's beliefs. An unfounded diatribe about Republican values does not constitute a foundation upon which our country can survive.

Oh and by the way, The Supreme Court's job is not Judicial activism in changing the values and beliefs of the country to match their own beliefs. It is to determine, through the use of Judicial restraint, if a lower court decision violates Constitutional Law. It is the job of the Congress to take
the values of The People to Washington and establish Constitutional Law which reflects those values.

Delaware is currently trying to determine what it holds to be of true value. Only by stating what we truly believe can we hope to send a Senator or Representative to Washington who reflects those values.

I believe in the Lord my God.
I believe in all the freedoms afforded to me by the Constitution.
I believe that life begins at conception and ends at a natural death.
I believe that my vote should be for someone who believes in these same things.

May the peace of God be with you.
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Old 09-26-2010, 10:53 AM
 
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it appears to me that people who spout out strong political views do not know what they actually believe
You can say that again!
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Old 09-26-2010, 06:24 PM
 
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I'm really not sure what that means. If people say their political views out loud then that means they don't know what they believe?? What consists spouting? Someone saying that, ""We took the Bible and prayer out of public schools. Now we're having weekly shootings. We had the 60s sexual revolution, and now people are dying of AIDS" hmmm, maybe you are right.

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Old 09-26-2010, 11:14 PM
 
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An assualt on the beliefs of another person, rather than a statement of your own beliefs, is what i meant by my expression "spouting out political views."

It has been my observation in life that I should clearly state what I believe to be true.

People can then:
agree with me,
have a different belief,
or assualt what I say because they dont have beliefs of their own.

Attacking the values of others is not the same as stating your own values. The vote for who represents Delaware in DC is way to important to let it be determined by attacking Christine O'Donnell's views. The Democratic party should state what it believes to be the truth of its beliefs.

By the way, if you go back to my original post I said that my father knew his beliefs and voted them.
He voted for the Democratic candidate in every election held until the day he died. I am not sure that today he would understand the true values represented by that party. I know that I do not.

I choose to state what I believe to be true, rather than attack the unclear message which has become the unspoken platform of the Democratic party.

I believe in God.
I believe freedom is purchased by the blood of those who defend it.
I believe that my vote should be for the candidate who behaves like they
believe these same things.
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Old 09-27-2010, 10:15 AM
 
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An assualt on the beliefs of another person, rather than a statement of your own beliefs, is what i meant by my expression "spouting out political views."

It has been my observation in life that I should clearly state what I believe to be true.

People can then:
agree with me,
have a different belief,
or assualt what I say because they dont have beliefs of their own.

Attacking the values of others is not the same as stating your own values. The vote for who represents Delaware in DC is way to important to let it be determined by attacking Christine O'Donnell's views. The Democratic party should state what it believes to be the truth of its beliefs.

By the way, if you go back to my original post I said that my father knew his beliefs and voted them.
He voted for the Democratic candidate in every election held until the day he died. I am not sure that today he would understand the true values represented by that party. I know that I do not.

I choose to state what I believe to be true, rather than attack the unclear message which has become the unspoken platform of the Democratic party.

I believe in God.
I believe freedom is purchased by the blood of those who defend it.
I believe that my vote should be for the candidate who behaves like they
believe these same things.
Okay, that makes more sense. I agree that negative campaigning, where politicians just attack their opponent, instead of talking about the issues, their intentions or their record, does nothing to make me want to vote for them. Is that why Mike Castle was defeated in the primary? Was he just doing negative campaigning? My sister, who lives outside of Dover is another person that was surprised by the O'Donnell win. I, for one, always vote the person and not the party. That means that if the candidate I will be electing says things that make no sense to me or that I don't agree with, I am not going to vote for him or her.
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Old 09-27-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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Or that Joe Biden completely smoked O'Donnell just two years ago. I realize with the rise of the Tea Party, the numbers would have shrunk - but Castle was a much safer pick in an attempt to get a Delaware seat red than O'Donnell. I still can't see her beating Coons, the state is too far blue. She doesn't have Linda McMahon money (or sanity) to help her either.

To the southern and western Republicans - call Castle a RINO and a liberal all you want. Truth is, he's not. Just because he is not batdroppings crazy like O'Donnell does not make him a Democrat either. He still would have supported the Republican agenda in the Senate, not much differently than what O'Donnell would do.

On a national scale, few people realize just what a Northeastern Republican is. Social conservatives aren't popular up here, they are more focused on fiscal issues. And Delaware, considering nearly two thirds of the state is in New Castle County along I-95, is a northeast state.

O'Donnell to me screams social conservative, way more than she is on the fiscal side. It's almost like the national party is throwing Northeastern Republicans overboard, which is a foolish mistake.

Wait, wait, Castle would have supported the Republican agenda? What, how? I'm sorry, I'm in Florida, so I haven't been following Delaware politics until the rise of O'Donnell, but didn't Castle vote for the Cap & Trade, the Stimulus and ObamaCare? How is that supporting the republican agenda? That is destructive liberalism? A vote for Castle would get us a red seat, true. But when he votes, he is blue through and through. I don't even know why this man identifies himself as a republican in the first place. He's a disaster, and O'Donell will be a great relief.
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Old 09-27-2010, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Greenville, Delaware
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Some of what I believe: the USA was imperfectly created by a group of plutocrats that included many who were agro-capitalists addicted to human slavery -- and huge hypocrites -- including Jefferson and Madison, amongst others; that it's absurd to think that the authors of a 225 year old document could anticipate all the lived realities that were to come in a future of exponentially accelerating economic and technological developments; that under unrestrained capitalism the poor get poorer whilst the rich get richer; that America has been on the wrong path overall since the end of the Johnson administration; that even most Democrats are lackeys of a capitalist plutocracy; that the American working class and petit bourgeousie have been duped into thinking they are a meaningful part of "the system" who have meaningful political power and that the working class have been duped into believing they are part of some protected "middle class"; that Lincoln and Roosevelt saved the Union, but that FDR did so by reformist policies that protected capitalism from the incipient revolutionary forces of the American working class; that the great majority of the founding fathers were constitutional republicans but had no belief in real democracy or equality; that, overall, society is historically improving in the face of the forces of the reaction that serve the ideological superstructure of capitalism and bigotry; that what we should strive for is a social democracy in which the commanding heights of the economy are publically owned, the mid-level distributive economy is made up of companies that are worker-owned, and that the small service, retail, and specialty/niche production economic sector are privately owned. Those would be a few principles for a start.
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Old 09-27-2010, 07:50 PM
 
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to me personaly it was a big bummer (and unexpected), that mike castle didn't make it last night.
I am MORE than surprised by the results and in the long run I can only hope, this will be a good thing for the democrats in november.

Christine O'Donnell even made it on the first page of our german online newspaper.

not sure, how the rules on this board are, when it comes to political subjects, but somehow I feel, this matter needs some attention.
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Old 09-27-2010, 08:36 PM
 
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Wait, wait, Castle would have supported the Republican agenda? What, how? I'm sorry, I'm in Florida, so I haven't been following Delaware politics until the rise of O'Donnell, but didn't Castle vote for the Cap & Trade, the Stimulus and ObamaCare? How is that supporting the republican agenda? That is destructive liberalism? A vote for Castle would get us a red seat, true. But when he votes, he is blue through and through. I don't even know why this man identifies himself as a republican in the first place. He's a disaster, and O'Donell will be a great relief.
I decided to look up Castle's voting record. I found a page on the Washington Post site which keeps track of his votes, plus how it stands against party. To which we find: Mike Castle has voted with a majority of his Republican colleagues 87.3% of the time during the current Congress.

Source: Mike Castle | Congressional votes database | washingtonpost.com

Yep, a real Democrat there.

Now I shift over to... Project Vote Smart - Representative Michael N. 'Mike' Castle - Voting Record

As far as I can tell, he voted against the stimulus in early 2009. Can't find the actual TARP bill itself. I'll give you Cap n' Trade, he was for that.

I really wish people wouldn't get so absorbed with the whole voting with the party thing. They should best serve the people and the ideology of their constituents. Delaware is a moderate state leaning a little liberal. Castle probably has more in common with the average Delaware voter than those who bothered to show up and voted for O'Donnell two weeks ago.
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Old 09-28-2010, 12:42 AM
 
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Some of what I believe: the USA was imperfectly created by a group of plutocrats that included many who were agro-capitalists addicted to human slavery -- and huge hypocrites -- including Jefferson and Madison, amongst others;
...
that even most Democrats are lackeys of a capitalist plutocracy; that the American working class and petit bourgeousie have been duped into thinking they are a meaningful part of "the system" who have meaningful political power and that the working class have been duped into believing they are part of some protected "middle class";
...
that what we should strive for is a social democracy in which the commanding heights of the economy are publically owned, the mid-level distributive economy is made up of companies that are worker-owned, and that the small service, retail, and specialty/niche production economic sector are privately owned. Those would be a few principles for a start.
Now that is what I was looking for. This person has stated what they believe to be the truth. I am sure that they will vote for Chris Coons because he also has these beliefs.

Coons wrote in 1985 for his college newspaper, "Chris Coons: The Making of a Bearded Marxist".

I choose God.
I choose freedom.


I do NOT choose Socialism.

O'Donnell is closer to what I believe than Coons.
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