So about Joe Biden (tax credit, living, approval)

[still lookin' for "home"]

[quote=crisndeefromde;5452200] So until Obama changes his tax policy, I guess I am being unpatriotic and voting for McCain. "

Well, that is fine... as long as you know that your NEW tax is going to be on your healthcare benefits. Yes, that's right... the way I understand it is
that we'll be having a new surprise tax- on our healthcare coverage. Mine
is worth almost $2000 per month and I can't *wait* to see what that translates to. Oh, yes, his allowance is $5000 a year for that. So, if it's taxed like income that would be worth $24000....all for which I work PEANUTS for. Yeap, I remember those GWB tax cuts. The moment they
went into effect our clients sent them off shore. So much for the trickle down effect. Our business has felt the pinch since GWB took us to war.
Let me guess, the new $5000 tax break is going to be eaten up by Wall St. Nice.



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[nmnita]

Originally Posted by crisndeefromde

Sorry to say Biden would have been better presidential candidate than either choice at this point, however, I am not voting for a candidate that is going to raise my taxes any higher as we are self employed and small business owners. With this bail out we are all going to pay at some point but let's take the taxpayers dollars that go overseas to these countries that hate us because it is the humanitarian thing to do. Where are these countries at when Katrina hit or when Ike just blew apart Galveston? Not a darn dime from any of these places. Keep the dollars here and help what needs to be done to get the economy going. If the wealthy stop spending than what do we have? we can't afford the stock market and wall street is finished without main street. There are alot of famlies who make 250,000 in the big cities but are paying mortgages double what we pay here in this area for something really small. Think about it. Doctors and lawyers make good dollars but are usually strapped with big college debt to get where they are today and we are going to burden them with 50% tax basis? Who is going to be able to afford to go to the doctor if they have to charge high office visit? Medical practices are small businesses and going to hit them with 50% taxes? No one is going to be able to go to a small business for anything. there won't be any left. Of course Obama says there are tax loopholes for these people. I would sure like to see a tax loophole! So until Obama changes his tax policy, I guess I am being unpatriotic and voting for McCain. I already feed enough people and Obama seems to think I need to do more. Thank goodness we are going to have a great new governor....Jack Markell! Joe pointed out many months ago on the campaign trail....that Obama wasn't experienced enough for the job of being our president. He talks the talk but I don't think he can walk the walk. He has no governoring experience. He hasn't been in charge of anyone. (maybe his family) Joe is our voice in the congress. What will happen? Carper and Castle sure don't have the experience internationally in foreign affairs that Joe has. I hope he wins the seat but not the vp election, but just my opinion.

I agree with you on most of what you are saying, but could you break your message up into paragraphs? I am afraid many might have lost the message as it was pretty hard to follow....

Nita

[Alt Dach]

Originally Posted by Older&Wiser

Some proven facts:

!) The most liberal senator of the 100 is Mr. Obama

2) The third most liberal is Mr. Biden; so much for moderates

Thats irrelevant even IF true, The USA is a rightist country, logically -liberal here within the world context = center right.
Of course to those who belive ours in the only country,so far above the rest of humanity we need take no heed of then etc etc etc- logic is irrelevant.

[coastalrap]

Originally Posted by Alt Dach

Thats irrelevant even IF true, The USA is a rightist country, logically -liberal here within the world context = center right.
Of course to those who belive ours in the only country,so far above the rest of humanity we need take no heed of then etc etc etc- logic is irrelevant.

What does that even mean?

[crisndeefromde]

Originally Posted by nmnita

I agree with you on most of what you are saying, but could you break your message up into paragraphs? I am afraid many might have lost the message as it was pretty hard to follow....

Nita

thanks Nita
Watching CNN yesterday had me all fired up. I have a parent who helped Joe get into the senate and cried many a tear when he lost his wife and baby and the boys were hurt. He sure has changed through the years. I really thought Hillary was going to be my choice.

Now the bailout and what is going to be left of our or I should say my pension from retirement. Nothing is safe for awhile.

[crisndeefromde]

[quote=still lookin' for "home";5452320]

Originally Posted by crisndeefromde

So until Obama changes his tax policy, I guess I am being unpatriotic and voting for McCain. "

Well, that is fine... as long as you know that your NEW tax is going to be on your healthcare benefits. Yes, that's right... the way I understand it is
that we'll be having a new surprise tax- on our healthcare coverage. Mine
is worth almost $2000 per month and I can't *wait* to see what that translates to. Oh, yes, his allowance is $5000 a year for that. So, if it's taxed like income that would be worth $24000....all for which I work PEANUTS for. Yeap, I remember those GWB tax cuts. The moment they
went into effect our clients sent them off shore. So much for the trickle down effect. Our business has felt the pinch since GWB took us to war.
Let me guess, the new $5000 tax break is going to be eaten up by Wall St. Nice.

I am curious as to who is going to be able to afford to play in the stock market after this. we are self employed and we sure can't. Don't go there with the health costs. Neither candidate has a good plan for healthcare. Following canada's guidelines ......don't think I can wait a year to get an xray or much less get on a year waiting list for surgery. got friends in canada that pay out of pocket to see doctors and get care as the country's plan doesn't work for them.

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[alketi]

Originally Posted by ardita

I do know Joe Biden personally and he is a sweetheart. If you saw his VP acceptance speech, that was the real Joe. Good family values, passionate. Our politics do differ, however, but if you are inclined to vote Democrat, he brings much more to the ticket than does Obama who only brings the ability to rally a crowd.

You are very right, Ardita. I concur.

[ardita]

Originally Posted by jskirwin

You know while GWB was in the Texas Air National guard, Obama was frolicking in Indonesia and Jane Fonda was posing with Vietcong anti-aircraft gunners, John McCain was being tortured to rat on his friends and say nasty things about his country. Because of this torture he still can't lift his arms up above his neck.

In 2000 John McCain was smeared with some of the most vicious lies ever said by one Republican against another in the South Carolina primary. The lies worked and Bush won, forcing the Senator to give up his quest for the White House.

Now you may not like him because of his party, and you may not like him because of his support for the war in Iraq, but to associate him with Bush and worse, insult him so childishly is really beyond the pale. John McCain is a good man and a good enough Senator of the state of Arizona to have been reelected to his office numerous times.

Are you willing to slander an American hero for your candidate to make it to the White House? Is this how you want to be remembered?

Bravo. I am so sick of hearning McCain tied to Bush. As a conservative Republican, I hardly consider McCain part of the Republican core and he certainly is NOT a Bush clone or continuation. Shame on Obama campaign for making the implication in the name of winning an election.

[ardita]

Originally Posted by mike0421

That bolded sentence, to me, is the source behind our biggest problem we face as a nation today: the expectation that government exists 'to take care of us' in some fashion. We started our own republic over 200 years ago on the basis that we didn't want King George III to take care of us, and I am afraid we've run full circle in this country. I don't know about all of you, but when you are a child, you have a mother and a father take care of you, and provide. At some point, you begin to provide for yourself. Accordingly, I believe government should have a minimal role, indeed, the functions of federal government were intended to be limited to defense, police, and the courts. I begrudge no one for being wealthy. Usually, this wealth is a result of ingenuity, work ethic, and discipline, combined with superior brains. Contrary to socialist prescription, we are not all the same, we all possess different strengths, and weaknesses. It is not a function of government, through progressive taxation, to compensate for these deficiencies between individuals. It's failed everywhere it's been tried.

Therefore, I reject Senator Biden's assertion of "It's time to be patriotic". To me, it is the single most galling line in this political campaign so far, and there have been many. If McCain and his campaign staff had any brains or balls, they'd be hammering home this comment on campaign ads on a daily basis. Or perhaps, they really don't think it's worthy of discourse. And that's one of the reasons I am very tepid about his candidacy.

Bravo, Mike. Very well said. We want to be a socialist nation but (thank God!), we are not. People need to look to theirselves and not the government to survive. Think of the generations that came before us-from our Founding Fathers on-all self sufficient.

I'm sick of hearing the government blamed for every wrong or pain we suffer. The advent of cable news allows the uneducated and the illequipped to micromanagae our affiars and I believe that is where a big part of the problem rests. And, while I'm ranting, George Bush did not bomb the world trade center, trigger the Indonesian tsunami, bring on Hurricane Katrina, or any of the many other ills he is ridiculously blamed for. Even more pathetic is that we have been under the control of a Democratic Congress as the world's finances have crashed-yet Bush is blamed for that as well. Enough with the partisanship and blame placing, please. Maybe the Judgment is really upon us.

[ardita]

Originally Posted by Older&Wiser

That is a hugh jump. Maybe the diesel offered is not "green" enough for this country? That the car is not safe enough?

Bravo, olderand wiser. You truly are. It is ridiculous how everything is twisted these days in order to crucify the Republican faction of our government. Nancy Pelosi has led the Congress for the recent past and if these cars were being prevented from being used here for political reasons, wouldn't she have "saved "us from that foolery?