10-13-2008, 05:24 PM
Location: Out of DE (ha!)
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I know I know...people are the same wherever you go. BUT....
My recent post raised this question in the back of my head.
I discovered and created my first thread on this site just a day or 2 ago.
In one thread I gave my reason(s) for leaving DE. I had nothing horrible to say about the state--just recognized my need to experience LIFE outside of the small boundaries. My second thread asked about selective schools in other areas besides Wilmington.
Well, Dr. Jef comes into my first thread and begins by telling me that my reasons for leaving were not so unique.
Then went on to explain that successful people are usually driven by insecurity.
HUH???
10-13-2008, 05:32 PM
Location: TX
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Kinda lost where you are going with this. I am too looking at leaving the area because I think there are other things out there to see. I've spent my whole life here and have no complaints, just looking for a change. Life is too short to live with regrets, if you don't like it you can always come back..
10-13-2008, 05:33 PM
Location: Out of DE (ha!)
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#1 I never assumed there was anything unique about my situation. Most people leave small towns for the same reason. But I couldn't help but wonder why DRJEF would jump out of the box with negativity and a FAILED attempt to somehow debase me--with all of my world travel, Ivy League degrees, Ivy Leagued-hubby, and privately schooled children who attend residential summer camps abroad.
Of course, I realize it's human nature to hate that others are doing well and enjoying life while you are seemingly miserable. THEN, I remembered a few other incidents with Delawareans who couldn't accomplish what I have in their DREAMS so they make horrendously, obviously jealousy-based remarks. I want to stress it was just a FEW. I still find the VAST MAJORITY of Delawareans to be EXTREMELY nice.
DRJEF then attempted to support his claims about inferiority leading to success
with the illustration of an ex-girlfriend who grew up in an upper middle class family but for some reason felt SHAME
about being from a small town. *cough*bulls--*cough*
Uh...Shame???
The shame usually doesn't come until one's OUT OF the hick town and in the company of more sophisticated cosmopolitian people.
Then, in the thread about the selective schools, he ended his post with "You said DE was so boring so blah...Why would you want to move your children to the most depraved part of the state?" (or something to that effect.)
DRJEF, What's the problem? Were you the smartest person in the room until I showed up?
10-13-2008, 05:34 PM
Location: Greenville, Delaware
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I'm not sure that your post is actually within the remit of this forum, since the rules state it's to be about the state in question, and not about chatting. You don't seem to understand my posts, so you can always PM me for clarification/expansion. Also, I get the sense that my assertions threaten you. Really, my own view is that this isn't a discussion appropriate for a state forum.
10-13-2008, 05:40 PM
Location: Out of DE (ha!)
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doctorjef
I'm not sure that your post is actually within the remit of this forum, since the rules state it's to be about the state in question, and not about chatting. You don't seem to understand my posts, so you can always PM me for clarification/expansion. Also, I get the sense that my assertions threaten you. Really, my own view is that this isn't a discussion appropriate for a state forum.
I think I understand your posts just fine. I just don't understand the underlying feelings behind them. Are they prevalent throughout the state?
I'd love to know if this intimidation of the more "worldly" is a Delawarean thing or just a DrJef thing.
10-13-2008, 05:43 PM
Location: Out of DE (ha!)
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ebuch
Kinda lost where you are going with this. I am too looking at leaving the area because I think there are other things out there to see. I've spent my whole life here and have no complaints, just looking for a change. Life is too short to live with regrets, if you don't like it you can always come back..
Oh, how I agree with you.
And it's just those feelings that caused me to leave years ago.
I also left with the feeling that I can always come back when I'm older and/or have seen the world.
BUT, I knew I'd be living a life of regrets if I'd just stayed, gotten the 9-5, married a nice college kid, and had kids.
DO IT!!! GO FOR IT!! LIVE YOUR DREAMS!!! YOU ONLY GET ONE CHANCE ON THIS MERRY-GO-ROUND!!! May as well enjoy it while you can!
10-13-2008, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by
Karen71
I know I know...people are the same wherever you go. BUT....
My recent post raised this question in the back of my head.
I discovered and created my first thread on this site just a day or 2 ago.
In one thread I gave my reason(s) for leaving DE. I had nothing horrible to say about the state--just recognized my need to experience LIFE outside of the small boundaries. My second thread asked about selective schools in other areas besides Wilmington.
Well, Dr. Jef comes into my first thread and begins by telling me that my reasons for leaving were not so unique.
Then went on to explain that successful people are usually driven by insecurity.
HUH???
I kind of understand where drjef was coming from when he meant that most people leave due to some form of inferiority complex. I will give you an example.
I was raised in Chicago, not the suburbs, the city, and I went to college in Chicago. Went to school in Chicago and after college got a job in Atlanta another big city. I met a lot of people from college and work from towns that I have not even heard of and they usually provided the same reason why they left their small town, and that is to see the world, and their is nothing wrong with it. However what you do not know is that the majority of those folks from small towns, "who went to that big city with so much culture" often go back to there small town within a few years or so. I do not understand, and I think it really points out to what drjef was saying.
I met one of the most smartest, intelligent woman back in college who came from the most rural part of Michigan, probably to this day who had what it took to be a successful doctor. After 4 years of just living in the city she decided to take what she learned back to Michigan. I asked why, and she said she felt that she was needed back home. An open-minded individual, who in my opinion had a great time living in the city, could have been a great doctor in Chicago but she left. Internships to some of the finest well respected hospitals in Chicago, like Northwestern, UofI, Loyola hospitals. I remember going out with her when she was a freshman and she was so excited, enthusiastic, just to be away from her hometown. I do not think i have ever met anyone so happy to be living in a major metropolis. Then as time went by she was telling me that I should go with her to her small town, and I would really like it. Ironically she was right... I am in Delaware right now and I actually like it here surprisingly enough.
It has to be overcoming some sort of inferiority by living in a rural area, because she took that risk and wasted all that money and time to experience something new. With all her success and everything that she accomplished in Chicago she decided to go back, not exactly to her own rural town, but somewhere near.
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10-13-2008, 07:54 PM
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The bottom line is that I have always wondered why would anybody do something like that...you already established yourself in one of the largest markets in the world and instead if going to some of the top med school top programs in the country, you make a decision working near your small town as an RN at a local hospital. After reading drjefs posts that is a possible answer. Just because your transition to the big city was a success does not make you better than other people. In fact you are just a transplant, not a true native. I do not know if you are actually going to settle where you are at and be an urbanite and actually raise your future children in the city, only time will tell. However do not go out and say people from small towns are jealous of people from big cities.
I probably have seen almost everything the big city has to offer more than you can ever imagine, not just the trendy neighborhoods and tourist attractions that you probably have limit yourself too. It is a big world but I do not think just going to Time Square or living in Manhattan make you a true New Yorker. I value the kindness of the people in Delaware, and the way people seem to settle down. This is definitaley a good change of pace for me, and even though Chicago will always be home, I would not mind starting a family here in Delaware.
Most people who leave their small towns often go back, obviously for the ones who do not make it, they have reason to go back, but I have always wondered why most of the success stories go back and I kind of have an idea why, especially why they do it in the first place.
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10-13-2008, 10:13 PM
Location: Media, PA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Karen71
#1 I never assumed there was anything unique about my situation. Most people leave small towns for the same reason. But I couldn't help but wonder why DRJEF would jump out of the box with negativity and a FAILED attempt to somehow debase me--with all of my world travel, Ivy League degrees, Ivy Leagued-hubby, and privately schooled children who attend residential summer camps abroad.
Of course, I realize it's human nature to hate that others are doing well and enjoying life while you are seemingly miserable. THEN, I remembered a few other incidents with Delawareans who couldn't accomplish what I have in their DREAMS so they make horrendously, obviously jealousy-based remarks. I want to stress it was just a FEW. I still find the VAST MAJORITY of Delawareans to be EXTREMELY nice.
DRJEF then attempted to support his claims about inferiority leading to success
with the illustration of an ex-girlfriend who grew up in an upper middle class family but for some reason felt SHAME
about being from a small town. *cough*bulls--*cough*
Uh...Shame???
The shame usually doesn't come until one's OUT OF the hick town and in the company of more sophisticated cosmopolitian people.
Then, in the thread about the selective schools, he ended his post with "You said DE was so boring so blah...Why would you want to move your children to the most depraved part of the state?" (or something to that effect.)
DRJEF, What's the problem? Were you the smartest person in the room until I showed up?
If your idea of a fulfilled and satisfied life comes from where your lat/long falls on Earth, then you are looking in the wrong places. Good Luck with the sophisticated people, in the mean time, the hicks will be clinging to their guns and God.
10-14-2008, 04:05 PM
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Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)