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Old 05-25-2010, 07:58 AM
 
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"and those that left to pay really high taxes in PA(Garnett Valley, and Avon Grove) or moved to Middletown"

Does this mean "they" left DE to go to Pa or Middletown De because PA and/or Middletwon have better schools than the rest of De? Seems like De gets a really bad rap for their schools but other than the 40% stat by James (scary..) not much basis is given....Sandy and Bavaria give personal experience positively, doesn't seem as much personal experience negative? IS there a prejudice vs Delaware education?
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Old 05-25-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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tfgreen:

No, just simple minded reliance on numbers without understanding the significance they do or do not represent...... and you would find that people who don't have a first hand experience have the hutzpah to express opinions as if they are some experts..... that is why the real experts (parents with kids in the school systems) sound differently ......
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:51 PM
 
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since we came over from germany, delaware has been the only state so far, we've lived in - so I can't really compare ....
we know 5 schools from personal experience, all in NCC, and ALL of them were very pleasant experiences.
maybe I would have been even more pleased somewhere else ?
we were considering PA because of it's great reputation - but over the years I think not all schools there are THAT great and not all schools here are THAT poor .
I have no idea how the educational quality was 10, 15 years ago - if you pick the right schools in the right district, you should be happy with your choice !
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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"and those that left to pay really high taxes in PA(Garnett Valley, and Avon Grove) or moved to Middletown"

Does this mean "they" left DE to go to Pa or Middletown De because PA and/or Middletwon have better schools than the rest of De? Seems like De gets a really bad rap for their schools but other than the 40% stat by James (scary..) not much basis is given....Sandy and Bavaria give personal experience positively, doesn't seem as much personal experience negative? IS there a prejudice vs Delaware education?
The 40% stat was printed by the News Journal so it could be false who knows, not likely. I have kids in the Brandywine School District and I don't have a problem with the school. The district has way to much overhead. Most of my wife's friends who grew up in Claymont with her have moved away or have their kids in private school. I'm not talking about 4 or 5 friends either try 15 to 20 couples. Landenberg, PA was populated in the eighties by residents of Wilmington, DE thats a fact. Why? Busing, the city of Wilmington doesn't have a school district so the kids from the city come out to the suburbs, and some in the suburbs have to go to a few city schools. I went to one school board meeting when Brandywine was considering what schools to close and I saw parents crying about their kids going to school with the inner-city Claymont kids. Literally crying. Not that Claymont is perfect but inner-city, I had to laugh before thinking of knocking someones teeth out. Imagine what these N.Wilmington wannabee rich idiots think of Wilmington's kids. By the way N.Wilmington is 19803 and 19810. I don't think there is a bit of prejudice towards the schools above the ditch, I know there is. What concerns me is this, what I'm not seeing, above the canal Delaware has one of most per capita private schooling in the country. We have private schools everywhere thats a fact. The population in N. Wilmington and in Claymont went down in recent years, the median age in these areas is around 40. I think its 33 or 34 in Middletown. I basically live 3 miles from the border of Delco, PA. Chichester, and some Boothwyn kids go to Garnett Valley School District. Is the quality of life better 1/2 mile across the state line? No way and you pay $5000 to 10,000 a year in taxes. Alot of the Delaware residents went there for the schools, nothing more or less. As I said before, What am I missing?

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Old 05-28-2010, 10:11 AM
 
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I am studying to be an elementary K-6 teacher at wilmington university. Having been in the schools for practicums, observations, etc. I can tell you that the schools aren't as bad as some on this thread would say. test scores do not give a full picture of any school or district. Those test scores are simply one measure of what the students have learned. High stakes testing like the DSTP puts enormous pressure on students. Especially those w/learning difficulties. They get some accomodations but they still have to take the same test all other students take. The same goes for ESL students. If you have a high population of either or both in a given district or school test scores will be lower. It isn't the students' fault at all. They can only do what they are able to. I would encourage those of you looking to relocate here to go in with your child and visit the schools prior to deciding where to move. finding the best fit for your child makes a difference. When I moved here from PA as a teen this is exactly what my mother and I did. We chose Lake Forest because it was a good fit for me. My point is don't judge the schools here based only on test scores or curriculum. Go in and observe for yourself. I find that there are many excellent schools and wonderful teachers here. Nowhere is perfect but most of the schools here will work very hard with you to make sure your child succeeds.
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Old 05-28-2010, 10:40 AM
 
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Jeannies35:

Thanks for sharing your first hand experience and expertise (inside the system point of view) ... Statistics is only meaningful if the users fully understand the significance of the numbers in front of them - not just looking at numbers and judging 83 to be better (not just higher) than say, 80.

Instant gratification, is all we are good at, without trying to understand the significance (or lack thereof) of AVERAGES - which are what the Dept. of Education finds in a lazy way to present numbers without caveats to go along with the meaning of averages!!

You did allude to skewing of the results (averages) by the distribution of a FEW good or challenged students in a particular school at a given time. You have provided a discerning factor to the parents, we can only hope the parents take note of that.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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armx:

it's true the results can be skewed. DSTP as a test had some issues and that is why the state is revamping the program. Here in Delaware students are assessed throughout the year not just at dstp time. If a student is considered at risk based on these assessment they are placed in a program known as response to intervention. The students are given tutoring by title I specialists and then restested continually to check for improvement. Teachers have to individualize lessons and accomodate students with difficulty. Basically you write a lesson then you adjust it to meet the needs of each individual student in your class. most teachers will have 35 to 45 students ( with the exception of kindergarten or pre k) and they rarely get paraeducator assistance. it's a huge undertaking everyday from the standpoint of the teacher. especially when close to half of the class or sometimes more have some type of learning difficulty. The state content standards are geared toward what students should be able to do at a given grade level. However they are only guidelines and are based on an average student. So you have to adjust those when teaching too. And when you take into account that Delaware does not generate the revenue of some bigger states and does not recieve as much federal funding either it makes the task of educating even more difficult because you don't always get the necessary tools and resources. Low income areas where very little revenue is generated from property taxes like Seaford are going to have more difficulties just because the money isn't there to provide students with the tools necessary for learning. am I saying that things are perfect or that there are no teachers who aren't performing well? Of course not. I'm saying you have to look at the bigger picture and see that there are many components in play and everyone has to participate for these kids to succeed.
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Old 05-28-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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does anybody have a website, which shows the rank of each state (even if these are numbers ) ?
we will move soon and I would like to have some more information.

thanks for the input, jeannie !!
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Old 05-28-2010, 12:41 PM
 
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The Nation's Report Card - National Assessment of Educational Progress - NAEP

That's the federal dept. of education's website for state educational statistics. you can look each school up on there and it will give you a general comparison of the states. It's what they call the nation's report card.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Toms River NJ
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Yes!...the Appoquinimink School District needs a Gifted & Talented Program in elementary or at least middle schools) or at least offer classes in Math, Science, ELA for those students that are in need of a challenge.
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