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04-01-2012, 04:05 PM
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Permadontics?
Has anyone had experience with the Permadontics same day dental implant procedure?
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04-02-2012, 05:34 AM
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Location: Wallis and Futuna
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I haven't, but I'm only seeing one place, in San Diego CA, that does it. And they are pretty vague in their FAQ...
However, they -imply- by careful choice of words, that they don't do same-day *individual* tooth implants. What their same-day deal does, is splint a few implants together, and implant them all at the same time, which keeps them from moving while they heal.
They also claim that the need for bone grafting is *rare*...which is categorically untrue, in people who actually need implants. Often, by the time your tooth is bad enough that you need an extraction and replacement, there has been at least -some- bone loss. The more loss, the higher the risk of need for grafting.
It sounds like a sales gimmick to me, nothing more or less. And a great way to "sell" you more implants than you actually need. At between $3000 and $8000 per tooth, that's a whole lot of money. Even if the dentist only gets to keep 1/10 of that...that'd be a minimum of $900 for one patient visit, assuming a 3-tooth "sale."
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07-24-2012, 01:07 PM
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Location: Raleigh
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same day implants is not a gimmick.
its gaining a lot of popularity because with new technology dr's can now place them in one visit.
major bone grafting is not really necessary anymore, unless its a big case. and if it is its most likely not a same day case. there are alternatives to your traditional bone grafting procedures such as powder/bovine bone that is placed in the socket at the same time the implant it.
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07-24-2012, 02:13 PM
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Location: Wallis and Futuna
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RaleighRunner
same day implants is not a gimmick.
its gaining a lot of popularity because with new technology dr's can now place them in one visit.
major bone grafting is not really necessary anymore, unless its a big case. and if it is its most likely not a same day case. there are alternatives to your traditional bone grafting procedures such as powder/bovine bone that is placed in the socket at the same time the implant it.
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The OP is asking about a specific procedure called Permadontics. As of April this year, google only returned one dental practice in San Diego called PermaDontics, which isn't really a procedure at all, but rather a dental clinic that specializes in fused implants. They don't do individual "same-day" implants. They fuse together more than one implant as a permanent fixed bridge.
So, if you only need one implant, they will either tell you they can't do it same day, or they will try and make you get more than one implants. The website info isn't clear about that.
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07-24-2012, 03:01 PM
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Location: Raleigh
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thats your typical same day teeth. its just a fixed/removable denture. it works very well. it is expensive because its more implants and more work. but it has made a lot of people happy.
its just another practice trying to coin their own version of "same day teeth". it all does the same thing. look into "teeth in an hour", "teeth in a day"... all the same procedure, just different names.
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07-24-2012, 04:39 PM
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Location: Wallis and Futuna
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I've seen it. And it's hardly same-day implants. You still have to do prep work prior to the day of the implant. Which means - more than one day. Also, as I said - if you only need -one- implant..then it will either not be a "one-day" procedure (even though that's misleading because it is not just one day), or they will pressure you into getting more than one (at an extra expense, of course) so they can do that "one day" procedure.
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07-24-2012, 05:56 PM
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I'm not a fan of same day implants. I do know that the permadontic people are pulling no stops with marketing and that is also a concern. It is especially a concern that they have taken terms like "permadontic complaints" and "permadontic failures" and flooded Google so much that the top 15 searches refer the person to the official Permadontics website. That is a slick maneuver to keep people from determining just how safe they really are. So when I see so many red flags and also note that same day implants have a much higher failure rate I think people need to exercise caution. It strikes me as more of a very savvy and slick media campaign over solid tried & true dentistry. Not that they're worthless, but probably not as sound as more meticulous methods.
I hope a dentist weighs in as I'd like to know what they think.
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07-24-2012, 06:25 PM
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Location: Wallis and Futuna
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I think the fused implants have merit, if someone needs more than one adjacent implant. But the marketing is so heavy, it sounds like they're trying to convince people that they do need more than one, even if they don't. Even if the procedure was 100% medically sound, with an excellent success rate, I'd still question the integrity of the marketing strategy. It's like they're pushing just a wee too hard for comfort. When a guy tries to sell you a car and emphasises "this is like, the most safe care in the world! Totally safe, you'll love it! You'll love it because it's totally safe, and wonderful, and safe, and has an excellent safety record! And for all this safety, you pay only $35,000!!!!!!!!" then I have to wonder how safe it really is, AND whether or not the safety is worth $35,000. If maybe I can't get a 2-year-old Volvo, that's equally safe, for only $18,000, with 3 years left on the warrantee.
Yes, implants will look great if they're done correctly. But why would I want to yank out a tooth that is in perfectly good health, just to drill a hole in the bone, drill a screw to the hole, and cover the hole with a fake tooth - and bind it to the implant next to it to prevent the one I need, from moving?
It'd be half price if I'd just go with the normal procedure of drilling the hole in the bone where the tooth -had- to be removed, let that sit for a few months, and cover it with a crown after its had a chance to heal.
One hole, one drilling, one screw, one risk of infection, instead of two. Plus - with two implants instead of one, when you only needed one, that means it's TWO teeth you can't chew on that day, instead of only one. And for a few days after that too.
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07-24-2012, 10:32 PM
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One thing I have learned after 55 years and over 13,000 claims- never trust a marketing website. Do you due dilligence. |
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