07-31-2011, 08:24 AM
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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xeric
Somehow DIA has managed to combine the complexity of requiring trains and shuttles to get to the concourse with a lot of walking to get to and from the trains. So I give it a poor rating for getting people to and from the planes.
Oh man did you every fly out of Stapleton? If you think DIA requires too much walking, you would have really have hated Stapleton. In that Airport you could easily spend 20 min. just walking from the ticket counter to the gate. Even walking on the moving walkway, with no delays through security. You would have wished they had a train.
07-31-2011, 08:35 AM
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Construction on DIA started in Sept. 1989 and the airport opened in Feb. 1995, a total of 5 1/2 years. It cost $4.8 billion to build (1991 dollars)
It is a lot farther to DIA than Stapleton for people on the west side. It is about 25 miles from my house in Louisville to Stapleton, 47 to DIA.
07-31-2011, 12:12 PM
Location: USA
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KaaBoom
Oh man did you every fly out of Stapleton? If you think DIA requires too much walking, you would have really have hated Stapleton. In that Airport you could easily spend 20 min. just walking from the ticket counter to the gate. Even walking on the moving walkway, with no delays through security. You would have wished they had a train.
I did and I do remember a lot of walking. But I prefer to walk to my gate (even if it's a long walk). My comment was based on the design of DIA. If you have to take a train to get to two concourses then at least arrange the stops (and concourses) in such a way that the train can get you closer to your gate.
07-31-2011, 04:24 PM
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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I did and I do remember a lot of walking. But I prefer to walk to my gate (even if it's a long walk). My comment was based on the design of DIA. If you have to take a train to get to two concourses then at least arrange the stops (and concourses) in such a way that the train can get you closer to your gate.
Well I kind of agree with you on that. I've read that one of the problems DIA is facing is that the train system is already running at close to capacity. I'd like to see them solve that problem by adding a second loop train line. It could load near the same place the current train does in the main terminal. Then it could run to new stops on the Eastern edges of Concourses A, B, C, D (when it gets built) then loop over to the West side of the concourses stopping at the Western edges of D, C, B, A, and back to where it started from in the main terminal. That way DIA users would have their choice when they go to catch the train to the concourses. They could choose the current train to the Center Concourses, or the new line to the East Concourses or the other direction to the West Concourses. Depending on where their departure gate is located. This would triple the capacity of the system, offer redundancy of having two lines (so if a train broke down the entire system wouldn't go down) and would get DIA travelers closer to their gate, with less walking.
But that is probably not going to happen due to financial reasons, unfortunately. Regardless I still think DIA is a better Airport with way less walking then Stapleton was.
07-31-2011, 04:52 PM
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Katiana
It is a lot farther to DIA than Stapleton for people on the west side. It is about 25 miles from my house in Louisville to Stapleton, 47 to DIA.
I have no idea where you could be living in Louisville, that would be that far from DIA. It's sure not the distance that Google Maps gives from Louisville to DIA.
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07-31-2011, 07:20 PM
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davidv
Construction on DIA started in Sept. 1989 and the airport opened in Feb. 1995, a total of 5 1/2 years. It cost $4.8 billion to build (1991 dollars)
You're counting from when dirt moved; there were years of land purchasing, setup and politics before that.
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Besides, I live in the SW metro area. It is 38 miles to DIA and 34 miles to the southern boundary of the arsenal.The extra distance (4 miles) and time (3 minutes) is not an issue.
Ah, so now the REAL bias comes through!
As I said before, I like DIA - I just have a problem with trashing a perfectly good airport for "progress."
07-31-2011, 07:29 PM
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xeric
Somehow DIA has managed to combine the complexity of requiring trains and shuttles to get to the concourse with a lot of walking to get to and from the trains. So I give it a poor rating for getting people to and from the planes (and it's location does not facilitate efficient movement of people to and from the airport). But if I lived in Denver I would no doubt appreciate the lack of airplane noise. And they do seem to do a fairly good job of getting flights in and out on time.
Only concourses B and C require the train. Concourse A is walkable and even has its own security.
Concourse A was originally set to be United's concourse, but then Continental (who also hubbed out of DEN at the time) negotiated to get that A concourse because they wanted the walkability. They then promptly de-hubbed out of DEN almost concurrently with the opening of the new airport.
Today, Frontier and American are at concourse A among some others.
07-31-2011, 07:46 PM
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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KaaBoom
I have no idea where you could be living in Louisville, that would be that far from DIA. It's sure not the distance that Google Maps gives from Louisville to DIA.34.2 mi , 37 mins37.4 mi , 46 mins
Sorry, my bad, 40 miles, putting in my address and going the second route (no tolls). Of course, that's just to the airport limits, not to the Pike's Peak parking lot.
08-01-2011, 10:38 AM
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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xeric
Somehow DIA has managed to combine the complexity of requiring trains and shuttles to get to the concourse with a lot of walking to get to and from the trains. So I give it a poor rating for getting people to and from the planes (and it's location does not facilitate efficient movement of people to and from the airport). But if I lived in Denver I would no doubt appreciate the lack of airplane noise. And they do seem to do a fairly good job of getting flights in and out on time.
We get a fair amount of flights over Stapleton, depending on which runway is being used at DIA. Nothing like they must have experienced in Park Hill back when Stapleton was an airport, but it can still be a little noisy with a plane flying over every few minutes. But I like watching them fly over!
08-01-2011, 10:41 AM
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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DenverBrian
Only concourses B and C require the train. Concourse A is walkable and even has its own security.
Actually Concourse A was supposed for international flights only. United was supposed to be on Concourse B, all other airlines were supposed to be on Concourse C. But to sign up Continental as the first airline for DIA, they had to concede to let them be on Concourse A, and they added the bridge to the plans. That was to alleviate Continental's concerns about the train system.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Oh man did you every fly out of Stapleton? If you think DIA requires too much walking, you would have really have hated Stapleton. In that Airport you could easily spend 20 min. just walking from the ticket counter to the gate. Even walking on the moving walkway, with no delays through security. You would have wished they had a train.
