10-31-2007, 11:33 AM
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syonker
Hello,
My wife and I currently have a contract in Back Country. We are mid 30's and have plans in the very near future for children. A lot of the people we've seen there look roughly the same; however, we definitely see the distribution curve skewed toward folks in their 40's and 50's driving "Lexi" and other forms of luxury autos (it's great to feel young again
). Why they gave you the cold shoulder is beyond me and frankly unacceptable for any sales organization. I will say that our experience has not been like that; however, they are also not "pushy" salespeople, so they will not seriously engage with you unless you make the first move. I guess they don't want to come off too intimidating.
The homes range from the high 400s to customs starting in the $2 million range (not even blocked out yet). The lots are small, but 90% of them back to open space. All of the "open space" is thoroughly xeriscaped and irrigated using their own watershed (they capture the water, recirculate it and use surplus to water the xeriscape areas).
You are correct - there is a $250 additional fee for the community over and above the HRCA fees. Here is why we think it's worth it. The "rec center" is within this gated community is called the "sundial house" and is actually a building-sized working sundial. The pool is a resort-style pool and will have a "beach" walk-in area (I think it's called "zero entry"). Also, of the total land that Shea has there, Douglas County *made* them buy it all, and only allowed them to develop 30ish% of it - the remainder is either open space throughout the community or a tract of land that's about 60-65% of contiguous open space behind the community (the formal "back country") that will have trails and be exclusively for use by the community residents. It backs to an enormous tract of park and open space that extends for miles thereafter.
Anyway you can shoot me some contact information if you'd like more detail on it - we're contracted in the "middle-level" of their homes, so I don't know much about the other two currently under construction, however, I believe you can check out the floor plans at
Backcountry - Wild at Heart . Also, they just opened a very small block of condos that we got a mailer for...I know nothing about them.
Hope this helps a little more.
Please feel free to contact me if you want more information.
Regards,
-Future Back Country Resident.
Gosh, you do sound like a sales rep
. If you're contracted in the middle level, then you must have purchased one of the few Water Dance homes they've sold. Seems like the inventory is moving fairly slow in all 3 levels. I noticed they have a sale going on right now and it doesn't look like that's enticed too many buyers either. Maybe the homes are overpriced? Or I guess my perspective could be off. Thanks for taking the time to post.
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11-09-2007, 10:12 AM
Location: Denver, CO
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I personally hope these homes drop 5-10% over the course of the next 6-12 months. We are looking at Denver relocation and are looking at backcountry. If anyone goes out there, please take some pictures of the area - the website doesnt show anything. Also, it would be great if that sundail house had a Grill to relax and have a bite and drink and enjoy the views..Wishful thinking
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11-09-2007, 10:45 AM
Location: Just south of Denver since 1989
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11-09-2007, 11:14 AM
Location: Castle Rock, CO
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Personally, I think a sub-HOA fee of $250 is ludacris.
My MIL bought a new Shea home a couple year back and she has had a horrible experience, despite the supposedly great JD Power ratings Shea enjoys. I can tell you that in my mind, when Mission Viejo sold to Shea Homes ... the lot sizes shunk almost overnight and the traffic through neighborhoods become much worse. They also put a shopping center on every corner ... which might be handy, but it over-commercialized and otherwise nice place.
This ended up driving me out of HR (along with all the people) and down into CR.
For $32, HR residents already get access to 4 rec enters, all within 5 min of this location.
This definately rubs me as a "rich only" development. If I was buying in the > $1 mil price range in HR (IMHO crazy in itself -- so many better choices for the money) ... I would buy in the Highwoods, which is an existing gated community within HR and with larger lots and mtn views. There are a couple other gated areas within HR, which are also nice.
Also, the whole 'private trails' topic makes most people in CO very angry. Last year, the HR HOA took a position of not sharing their trails with the surrounding areas, thus making them private. This is awful, as the vast majority of the HR open space is south of the homes.
Land owners worked with the county to make this area protected by conservation easements. Now HR won't allow Douglas County to connect its trails to the HR trails -- which really goes againt how trails in Colorado have been developed. They always connect and have always been shared and viewed as a public asset.
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The Highlands Ranch Community Association has told hikers to keep their membership cards handy because volunteers will be patrolling for trespassers.
Can you imagine the arrogance?
This online petition has almost 1000 responses, but HR HOA doesn't care.
Stop The Privatization Of Colorado's Trails - Signatures
Personally, I know the backgountry will be successful ... but I think its sad, because it represents a lot of what is bad about HR and not much about what is good. And you are suppporting the tiny lot sizes that Shea knows it can sell.
11-09-2007, 11:21 AM
Location: Denver, CO
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Yeah the HOA above the HR fees is garbage imo. Cant believe what you posted about the trails, thats not cool at all.
Our here in socal - mello roos dot every development built in the last 20 yrs and the tax rate in SD county coupled with the Mello and HOAs runs you almost 2% of the purchase price so 250 a month isnt all that bad. The 118 a quarter is worth it imo.
11-09-2007, 11:23 AM
Location: Denver, CO
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b.adams
This definately rubs me as a "rich only" development. If I was buying in the > $1 mil price range in HR (IMHO crazy in itself -- so many better choices for the money) ... I would buy in the Highwoods, which is an existing gated community within HR and with larger lots and mtn views. There are a couple other gated areas within HR, which are also nice.
Please let me know other gated subs if you know them by name. Prefer larger lot sizes
11-09-2007, 11:25 AM
Location: Denver,Co
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I've worked on the Backcountry Sub. I've heard that the supposed "open space" is going to have access only to residences of the sub.
11-09-2007, 11:44 AM
Location: Castle Rock, CO
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Falcon Hills - this is a gated community near University & Venneford Ranch ... it's older, but real nice and larger lots. Mature landscaping and some w/great views. Closer to highway and RTD than most. Probably has more character than a new development.
THere is the Highwoods (between Broadway & WIldcat and Wildcat and Gateway Dr).
Also older and more mature. This was the first > $1 mil development in HR and some house are probably over $2 mil now. Very exclusive.
The Ridge at Weatherstone. Might not be gated, but is all custom-built homes on much larger lots, usually with vieiws or backing to open space -- in the general vicinity of the streets: Meyerwood, Brettonwood and Ridgecrest.
There is also a gated community near the golfcourse in Eastridge and perhaps another near the golf course in Westridge (near Redstone Park).
There are many other gated communities in the Castle Pines North area. Again, usually starting at $800k and going up from there.
11-09-2007, 05:10 PM
Location: Castle Rock, CO
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I still think HR hasn't heard the last about their horrific decision to make their trails "private". Yeah, I feel like venting a little. If other communities acted this way, then most of the trails in Colorado would be non-existent.
I guess the Backcountry plans to make private trails so that members can have yet another "exclusive" feature not available to others. You know, the crazy thing is -- that most of these upper-crustys don't ever go outside in the first place. I'd also be surprised if they went to the gym much either, except to show off their new outfits or new boobs.
To be honest, I almost never saw anybody on these trails when I DID live there. If somebody came up and asked me from some ID, I'd tell them to shove it or "I forgot it". Who carries ID on a walk or bike ride anyways?
11-12-2007, 02:22 AM
Location: Denver
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We are planning a move back to Colorado within the next six months and are currently researching areas to buy a home. Our previous home (four years ago), was in Eastridge, Highlands Ranch.
We're interested to know more about the Highwoods neighbourhood. It appeals to us because of the larger lot sizes, open space, and the beautiful mountain views. At least we think this to be true! We have been searching real estate sites and trying to picture the area via Google earth and Zillow.
Highwoods also appears to be in a good school district which is very important to us. We have three elementary school aged kids and would prefer to live in an area where most of the kids go to the local school. I like the idea of them being able to walk or bus there.
We'll be visiting in January to make final decisions about our move, so the more information we can collect before then, the better.
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People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)