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Old 05-12-2012, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Very informative post and I am doing the same thing at the end of summer (Back to Buffalo, NY for me though)... I've had a better kick off in my career out here but I work in the Law Enforcement field.. I want to get into Feds and its better for me to relocate back to the NE since that is where a lot of the bigger federal agencies are (Buffalo has Border Patrol, TSA, FBI, etc). I miss the excellent location to other major cities, the rain, the luscious greenery and most importantly my family.. I came out here a year ago looking to find myself, obtain a career and meet someone to explore this city with... What I found was I belong back on the east coast, I was able to start my career and as for that special someone----thats not happening here in Colorado.

Good luck in your decision... Colorado has treated me well but its not where my heart is
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:43 PM
 
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I moved here 6 months ago from Atlanta and I also find it kind of scary as a small business owner being here. On a personal level, I never got used to the rude people and pretentiousness there after living in-town for 8 years, however, as a business owner I find it very frightening to notice how frugal people in Denver can be. The very first day I arrived It was frightening how many cheap foreign economy cars are out on the roads here, that tells me that people here are struggling and frugal.
...Or that they live within or below their means which is something people in Atlanta don't do.
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Denver, Dallas, Denver, Dallas
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I live in California and my skin gets pretty dry here. I itch like crazy after every shower and have to lather my entire body in hand lotion afterwards.


Where do you hear people say "Cali"" all the time? In California, out of the mouths of Californians? I doubt it. And that's what I said earlier - Californians don't call it "Cali".


Did you not read the OP and his posts? He's an outdoorsy person who doesn't like big cities. He likes to have a lot of outdoor recreation - mountain biking, skiing, fresh air, etc. Do you think he's really going to like living in Tokyo or Beijing or Hong Kong? Denver would be a paradise for him compared to those congested cities.
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They call it Cali.
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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Snoop Dogg

They call it Cali.
Are they native Californians? They are not regular average everyday people, are they?

I've lived in California for a long time and I've never, ever heard anyone here call it "Cali". The only time I've ever heard that phrase used is from a New Yorker when I lived in New York, and he was the only one.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I write this mainly to help others out in deciding on where they want to live, having almost figured it out the hard way on my own. I'm a born and raised Massahusetts-ite, and here's my story.

I went to college in New England. Been to pretty much every state in New England over the years, with much less emphasis on NY, PA, CT, RI (not really into those states compared to MA/NH/VT/ME). Loved it and grateful to have grown up there. The mountains and forests in New Hampshire, Maine, and Vermont are all interesting and different in their own ways. Ponds, rivers, lush green (well, lush green, compared to CO, not necessarily compared to Seattle). There's skiing, hiking, camping, great little towns all over, nice little cities too. There's mountain biking (not as amazing as CO, but still, it exists, and it's just different). On the flipside you have MA and Boston, great areas in and of themselves, which aren't wilderness but offer a nice mix of nature exploration and people/city life if you like that kind of thing. I feel like this would be an ideal place to raise a family (not even sure if I'd want kids) - it has almost everything - great outdoors, great city areas, diversity of nature & within living areas/cities - great education - great opportunity - the one downside is that having grown up here, everything else seems like a downgrade in some way or another - it's almost spoiling in that sense.

I'm an outdoorsy person, and although I'm not a city person, I'm also not a desolate-out-in-the-middle-of-nowhere-nature person, having grown up in coastal MA. Lived in Boston for a couple years, worked near Harvard Square.

After more than two decades of growing up in this general New England area, I felt like I needed to live somewhere different, at least, that's what I told myself. I've traveled to a few different countries and lived there for a month or two in South and Central America, been to Canada, been to the carribean, but had never really been out west at all, or too far south (I have no desire to live in the South, but that's another story).

My mind was itching to *not* be that person who lived in one area all their life, doing that seemed like something negative to me. I left my family and my nice biotech job to do this. My girlfriend and I set out to drive down the west coast to check it out. Seattle was a great city in our opinion, but way too rainy. Oregon seemed beautiful but out in the middle of nowhere, and Eugene wasn't impressive. We didn't particularly care to see much of Portland, too rainy for us. Northern California was beautiful, but a little too desolate, and not many jobs for us. California was cool, but I wasn't moved by San Francisco (not a city person, again), and the rest of California seemed pretty dense with people and urban sprawl. The beaches are great in that they are plentiful, and usually free, but they didn't feel as cozy and inviting as those in MA. They felt city-like and huge, which some people probably like, but I don't. MA is filled with little coves and beaches, marshes, and I like that. The feel of the culture wasn't enticing to us either, perhaps it's just having grown up in New England, although I know plenty of MA natives, and New England natives who like the culture in Cali. Couldn't believe how many SUVs there were in CA! Anyways, just wasn't for me, and that's not to say that people were nothing but friendly to us in Cali, don't get me wrong. I'm skeptical when people paint broad brushes on cultures and mass groups of people, but there must be a little truth to some of that, because you're imprinted based on where you were raised. I find people are friendly everywhere, and there are also unfriendly people everywhere, it just depends. What is for sure though is that people of different areas live differently.

That being said - this is all very superficial, but what can you do when you have limited time and money to explore where you want to live in a short amount of time. I know there are a lot of great qualities about these cities and areas but that's another topic. This is where we had progressed on our trip..

So, we were left with Colorado, and not having been there ever, we took a stab at it. Liberal, outdoors, sun, mountains, hiking, biking, snow, skiing - cool. It seemed like a nice place to move for somewhere new. There are some jobs here for me, and it has some environmental jobs too, etc.

Well it's been a month since being here and I'm almost sure moving back to MA, I am not seeing why I want to stay here in light of everything considered. This is such a difficult decision between my mind telling me to stick it out for the sake of somewhere new, and for the fact that if I leave, I'll be leaving my girlfriend, who wants to stay here and has a differing outlook on life - more flexible, more apt to experience new places, more prone to overlooking negative aspects about places in life. Here are some reasons why I don't like it enough to stay.

Less jobs for me. I work in biotech and Boston is a mecca for this. It's doable here in CO but significantly harder and there are not as many good opportunities. I feel like I'd be shooting myself in the foot staying here.

Denver is no Boston.

I'd choose Boston any day over Denver.
Boston has so many different areas, all which add their own culture and value to Boston. It's nicely designed and it feels rich/dense with culture and diversity because of this. Each area has its own little unique feel, and each area is easily accessible by others.

The transportation system in Boston is amazing compared to Denver.

Boston is hugely more roadbike-friendly than Denver. Denver has basically no bike lanes in the city compared to Boston, and I can see why. Universities are absent in Denver compared to Boston which has many more universities within it, and because of this, it feels younger. Boston also has its share of young adults out of college. Also, it seems like you don't have as many adults using bike transportation in the city, just because that's the way it seemed to come to be. Boston is so different - I see so many bikers around in the heart of Cambridge, Jamaica Plain, etc etc. It seems so lively in Boston compared to Denver, for some reason.

Denver feels like a bland financial district, whereas Boston has a mix of financial, medical, science, and education establishments. This leads me back to the lack of diversity in Denver, in the sense of lacking demographics and lacking business/education going on in the heart of the city.

Lets keep in mind, I don't really care about 'night life' so I'm not going to comment on that. Was never really into bars like most people are. I'm not into sports but obviously Boston wins on that. Anyways,

If you're in Boston you can journey up to the ocean to go kayak on the North Shore of MA, or go bike around the blue hills (I'm an avid mtn biker and I know Denver beats Boston as far as mountain biking, but it's an option at least in MA), or cross country ski in the blue hills (not into that but some are). On the weekends you can go up to NH and hike in the mountains, or ski/board, within 2-4 hours, which isn't terrible, although I know it's not next door like it is in CO. In Denver I feel like there is nothing really surrounding the city aside from cookie cutter urban sprawl, malls, some state parks (which are beautiful, but dry), and the mountains (which you can ski/board on, and it's better than New England skiing/boarding, but in my case the downsides outweigh this particular awesomeness that CO has to offer).

Denver is DRY. I moved here craving sun, and well, I got it. Almost every day. This is an unusually warm spring and it's been 70s/80s almost every day the last month, but you can tell the climate is just drier..well, duh.. Less green/lush than MA. I'm actually craving the daily/monthly change in climate that MA usually offers in Spring/Fall/Summer/Winter. I'm actually looking forward to the occasional rain now! Surprised myself. There seems to be a lack of bodies of water because of CO's inherent dry climate, which I miss, compared to back in MA. It's all so flat here aside from the mountains, and I thought New England was flat!

I have never seen so many homeless people in my life until coming to Denver. It's like you can't go anywhere without tripping over someone passed out on the sidewalk. The first week I saw someone passed out under a stop sign, pants all the way down. There are pan handlers everywhere, more than Boston, young and old. Along Park Ave you see a group of 30 homeless people chilling out every day with all their gear. Denver feels like the mecca of homeless people. And I feel terrible for them of course and wish it could be better for their sake, and it doesn't directly impact me of course, and I can deal with it, but it's just a weird feeling that adds negatively to the area, although this is of lesser importance amongst everything I'm saying in this post.

I like Boulder for its bike friendliness, it's young population, its liberal nature, and because it's right next to the mountains, it has its share of families, it's not an unsafe place, but it feels isolated and small. It feels like there is nothing immediately around it of interest, just like Denver. If I lived there I feel like it would get boring, or like I'd be stuck in a little microcosm. Back in MA you have a bunch of different options that feel nearby - ocean - forest - hills (ok, not mountains, but still..) - hiking - communities that are close yet different..

I tried to convince myself that it's new and to embrace the positives - mountains, skiing, biking, new places to explore...But it seems like the negatives (dry, no ocean, urban sprawl, desolate between Denver and other areas, worse economy, empty Denver city, being away from family, and lack of balance between all of these things that MA/New England has to offer) is outweighing it.

I've been hemming and hawwing this decision for literally a month, and my gut just tells me its more worth it to move back to MA before it gets harder by staying here longer. It's a terrible feeling to be stuck between these two choices, especially with all of what I am considering that is being involved in my decision - family, relationship, career, living needs..but overall, my gut keeps coming back to wanting to go back to MA. My mind tells me I'm throwing away plentiful career opportunities in MA, too. I made the decision to leave CO two weeks ago and the strain of deciding brought me back to hoping there was a possibility I would enjoy staying, so it's been another two weeks, but it's not looking promising for staying here.

So I'm pretty sure I'll be moving back. Just wanted to share my story. I've found during this whole period that moving can be so extremely complicated based on so many factors, including how you were raised, where you were raised, what you're willing to give up, what you're willing to take on, what you want to see, whether this or that holds more worth to you, etc. In the end its only us that can make the decision, for ourselves, and it's all too easy to focus on a few aspects you hold important to trump others and then find out maybe you were wrong (or right).

Hopefully this will help someone out there trying to decide what's next in their lives. I find a lot of posters here make it so cut and dry, and maybe it is to some, but it is also so complicated for some of us, and that's mainly why I wanted to share my story, and welcome any constructive input.

I don't mean to put CO down in any way, it just doesn't seem right for me, no matter how much my mind wanted it.
You know what, you need to give a new place time. Listen, I'm not the biggest fan of living in Colorado, but I know that you need to give a new place more than a month. Give it at least 2 years and if you still hate it then, then move back.

But I surmise that you may actually start to like it in a few years. Everyplace I've lived has given me grief at the beginning (except California, that place fit me like a glove instantly).

I grew up in the Southeast and went to college in the Northeast. After about a month, I really wanted to move back South. Now imagine if someone told you that they had lived in Boston for a month and wanted to move back? Well you'd probably say that was silly and they needed to try to adapt more. So why don't you follow that advice yourself.

Give it time. I found that I was able to adjust to every part of the country, the Northeast, Midwest, West, and of course the South. Each place had its pros and cons.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Perhaps they just spend their money differently than folks do in Atlanta. Of course there's not much to do in Atlanta but drive around on a more expensive set of wheels.

I can see the appeal of New England, particularly Vermont, over Colorado.
And I can see the appeal of Atlanta over Colorado and even New England.

However, I can also see the appeal of Colorado over New England.

Are you confused yet?
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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They call it Cali.
Cali is a city in Colombia.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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And I can see the appeal of Atlanta over Colorado and even New England.
I can't.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Everyplace I've lived has given me grief at the beginning (except California, that place fit me like a glove instantly).
Interesting way to put it. Exactly spot on in my case, too.

Regarding the other poster who mentioned that as a small busines owner he finds the frugality of Coloradans scary .... You have to understand that many Colorado transplants move there to escape the money-centric culture of the coast. Not suprising that they prefer to shop at Ross instead of Nordstrom.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I can't.
Some people would prefer their skin not to crack and bleed everyday from the dry air in Colorado or to get bloody noses everyday.
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