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Old 06-09-2012, 05:55 PM
 
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Are you saying the husband knew she would deliver in 20 minutes?
He placed a sterile glove on his hand and checked her cervix...my god, she's at zero station and fully effaced! No time to drive safely! Better haul ass to the hospital!!!!

If he did know, then he's a bigger fool for not calling the ambulance. I doubt this yahoo knew how to deal with a precipitous delivery himself.
I don't consider 11 miles over the speed limit as "hauling ass". It's obnoxious that the officer would keep them waiting while the wife was in labor. Have you felt what a contraction feels like. I guess the officer hasn't either. The officer should have given the couple a break. He can do that. He just chose not to.
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Old 06-09-2012, 05:59 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Lol...

I'm sorry.

There are just so many people out there that have so many 'reasons' and excuses for breaking the law.

It tickles me that people are 'outraged' when they have to pay for it.
What are you sorry about? That you called the guy a criminal? I should hope you're sorry for that!

Good grief, he was driving 11 miles over the speed limit! I once got a warning and sent on my way for driving 23 miles over the limit.


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I don't consider 11 miles over the speed limit as "hauling ass". It's obnoxious that the officer would keep them waiting while the wife was in labor. Have you felt what a contraction feels like. I guess the officer hasn't either. The officer should have given the couple a break. He can do that. He just chose not to.
Exactly! See above. My incident happened in Lafayette.
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Lights flashing don't change the laws of physics, despite the belief of some. I don't know many officers who would be comfortable following someone doing 120MPH, or even 60MPH through city streets, blindly blowing through red lights and stop signs. That is what a lot of people are doing if you read the many examples of this on-line.
Um, I've witness a few high speed pursuits, where the cops didn't seem to have any issues with following someone doing 60MPH - 120MPH blindly blowing through red lights and stop signs. As a matter of fact most of the cops seemed to be kind of enjoying it.

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Yet it is totally acceptable to let hysterical people drive thousand pound pieces of metal at 60-120MPH, blindly run through intersections, to get to the hospital? And officers should feel safe giving such people escorts, traveling in close proximity of a hysterical drivers?
And you don't see any problem with a cop spending 15 minuets writing a ticket to a hysterical husband, who's pregnant wife is sitting in the seat beside him in labor? You don't see where some issues could develop from that situation, that both the cop and the hysterical husband could latter regret?

FYI about the most the cop can do is write a ticked, and then send the hysterical husband and his pregnant wife on their way to the hospital. And it's a good bet that the hysterical driver will not be any less hysterical after the that. So writing the ticket doesn't accomplish anything, except raise a little revenue for the government.
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:41 AM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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So now you think that someone upholding the law is legally responsible for what happens to a passenger in the car being driven by the criminal?.
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Central Indiana/Indy metro area
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How do you know that the driver is untrained?
Well, only a small % of the population have ever worked in a career where emergency vehicle operation training is provided: Police, fire, ambulance, or emergency management are likely the only few careers where people actually get training in running tens of miles an hour over the speed limit, disregarding red lights and stop signs. Any given person likely doesn't have this training.

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Um, I've witness a few high speed pursuits, where the cops didn't seem to have any issues with following someone doing 60MPH - 120MPH blindly blowing through red lights and stop signs. As a matter of fact most of the cops seemed to be kind of enjoying it.
High speed pursuits in urban areas are extremely dangerous. I wonder how many are done in NYC, or downtown streets of LA. Seems every LA vehicle chase is on the interstate, which is completely different than in highly dense urban areas. I'm not a big fan of allowing these sort of chases. Back in the 50s/60s and prior, there were less vehicles on the road, less people in the cities, so things were definitely different back then. Some departments have already went to no chase policies, many have chase policies which mandate some sort of serious crime have been committed before a chase can be done (has a weapon, abduction, etc.).

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And you don't see any problem with a cop spending 15 minuets writing a ticket to a hysterical husband, who's pregnant wife is sitting in the seat beside him in labor? You don't see where some issues could develop from that situation, that both the cop and the hysterical husband could latter regret?
If the cop just had to write a ticket, before getting his/her pen out, he should have called for an ambulance. Pregnancy is a medical condition, one that can be fatal. Seems modern medicine pretty much limits how often pregnancy is fatal, but there is always that possibility.

There are two ways I would handle this: 11MPH over isn't bad at all. Slowly rolling through red lights and stop signs, when there is barely any traffic, I wouldn't even have an issue with. If I thought the driver was going to continue to run triple digits, I wouldn't let that person continue to drive. If I saw them blow through intersections without even slowing enough to truly see if there was any traffic, or almost causing collision, I wouldn't let that person continue to drive. I would call an ambulance if in an urban area where medics can usually get there within minutes. Now if I was out in more rural areas, the only option would be a warning to drive safely to the hospital. This means following all traffic laws. Then I would go the opposite way from wherever the person heads. I'm not going to again witness extremely dangerous driving, then watch as the person t-bones a mini-van at 80MPH+, then get personally sued for failure to act. If I follow them, and they continue to drive recklessly, then we are waiting for a medic, or they are getting in the police car and we are meeting the ambulance halfway or I would even drive them myself if policy allowed it.

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FYI about the most the cop can do is write a ticked, and then send the hysterical husband and his pregnant wife on their way to the hospital. And it's a good bet that the hysterical driver will not be any less hysterical after the that. So writing the ticket doesn't accomplish anything, except raise a little revenue for the government.
Wrong. In most states, there are limits to where speeding and continued blowing through red lights and stop signs is consider more than just a ticket. In Indiana, it is reckless driving and/or criminal recklessness. So the most a police officer in Indiana can do is arrest the driver, then call for an ambulance. And yes, in some cases it is warranted. Unfortunately this "me, myself, and I" mentality has really pushed common sense out the window. We now have reports of people doing near triple digits, blowing through red lights/stop signs......for pets!! The stupidity of humans never ceases to amaze me. "I need to get my wife to the hospital so the baby can be delivered safely officer!" "Um, OK, what do you think will happen to wife and baby if you t-bone another vehicle doing 80+ MPH driver?"

We have a procedure in place for medical emergencies in this country. If your in an urban or suburban area, call 911, or drive like everyone else: Stop at stop lights, stop at stop signs (or at least "California roll" them), do the customary 10-15MPH over the speed limit...but don't put other innocent people at risk because you don't want to fork over $1,000 for an ambulance ride (if even that).

If folks want to allow triple digit driving for women in labor, by all means, change the law. If you want cops giving emergency run escorts, change the law. Just make sure to grant the cop complete and absolute immunity should anything happen. Also make sure that if the driver being escorted causes a crash causing injury to the officer, the officer is taken care of financially.
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Joplin, Missouri
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Wrong, people do have a right to exceed the speed limit, when they believe that the benefit outweighs the risk. The American justice system has a long stand principle that the accused have a right to argue in their defense that they justifiable broke any law. Example: justifiable homicide. If someone has a right to argue that they justifiably killed someone, then they certainly should have a right to argue that they justifiably exceeded the speed limit to get their pregnant wife to the hospital in time to have a baby.

Here is another case of a man who was stopped for driving 102 mph to get his pregnant wife to hospital. The police officer did give him an escort to the hospital, and then gave him a ticket. He fought it, and was found not guilty of speeding. Which pretty much disproves your statement that "No one has a right to exceed the speed limit".

So no people should not "suck it up". They should defend their rights.

102 mph Ticket Dismissed For Man Driving Pregnant Wife to Hospital in New Hampshire | Fox News
I would agree on some situations but...102!!!??? It is too hard to stop safely, avoid other traffic etc if you are going that fast on public streets/hwy.
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:21 AM
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@indy_317: The guy was not driving in the triple digits, there is no indication he was running stop signs and red lights, this happened in suburban Denver, not NY or LA.
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:42 AM
 
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Pregnancy is a medical condition, one that can be fatal. Seems modern medicine pretty much limits how often pregnancy is fatal, but there is always that possibility.
Pregnancy is a natural condition. It's rarely fatal. An ambulance would have been overkill. Just letting the man and his laboring wife go without delay would have been more then sufficient.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Central Indiana/Indy metro area
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Pregnancy is a natural condition. It's rarely fatal. An ambulance would have been overkill. Just letting the man and his laboring wife go without delay would have been more then sufficient.
You make it sound like no big deal. I agree that 11 over isn't a big deal, at least where I live. However, why such a big deal over taking the time to write the ticket? We all know places where the cops are ticket happy. People are upset the guy was delayed, yet then write that pregnancy is just a natural condition, which would include labor, so again, why are folks so up in arms over this situation? And why are others in other areas doing 102MPH for a "natural condition" that is rarely fatal. If an ambulance isn't need for the lights and siren feature, then one doesn't need to run stop signs, red lights, or travel near or over triple digits.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:27 PM
 
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You make it sound like no big deal. I agree that 11 over isn't a big deal, at least where I live. However, why such a big deal over taking the time to write the ticket? We all know places where the cops are ticket happy. People are upset the guy was delayed, yet then write that pregnancy is just a natural condition, which would include labor, so again, why are folks so up in arms over this situation? And why are others in other areas doing 102MPH for a "natural condition" that is rarely fatal. If an ambulance isn't need for the lights and siren feature, then one doesn't need to run stop signs, red lights, or travel near or over triple digits.
I think that 102mph was extreme and ticket worthy. I think that 11 mph over the speed limit is not extreme and whether it's ticket worthy or warning worthy is up to the police officer. A wife in labor on her way to the hospital seems like a legitimate reason to just let the guy off with a warning.

Pregnancy, labor and birth are all natural conditions and rarely would they call for a ride to the hospital in an ambulance. That said, labor can be excruciatingly painful. Holding up a woman who is in labor and very likely in a great deal of pain so that the cop can take his sweet time writing a speeding ticket for someone who is going 11mph over the limit is unnecessary. People get warnings all the time. Why couldn't this cop just show some compassion for the situation and let them go. 11mph over the speed limit is not a big deal. He could have let them go but he chose to exercise a lack of compassion and understanding in favor of being a p**** and adding to the negative reputation of the Denver PD.
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