Denver vs Salt Lake City (Boulder, Englewood: bus, move, train)

[what???]

Originally Posted by Mezter

Another thing...SLC lacks in Urban fabric, Architecture, nightlife, events, and annual visitors (compared to Denver atleast). Denver's GMP= $157,567 vs SLC's GMP= $66,456. Denver is a tier or two ahead of SLC, even if SLC does do slightly better in some aspects. Not sure if I should be suspicious that this is your first post

If you look at the entire Front Range the breakdown of races would show that there isn't much difference between the Wasatch Front and the Front Range. How diverse is a place like Dacono or Parker? Not much more than American Fork or Draper.

Addressing your point about the GMP: Again, Denver has more than 3 times the people of Salt Lake City. If you took Salt Lake's GMP and multiplied it be three, the GMP would exceed that of Denver.

The tier argument holds no weight when you're comparing cities of drastically different sizes.

Denver is a very nice city. Salt Lake City is just more advanced in many aspects.

[Mezter]

Originally Posted by what???

If you look at the entire Front Range the breakdown of races would show that there isn't much difference between the Wasatch Front and the Front Range. How diverse is a place like Dacono or Parker? Not much more than American Fork or Draper.

Addressing your point about the GMP: Again, Denver has more than 3 times the people of Salt Lake City. If you took Salt Lake's GMP and multiplied it be three, the GMP would exceed that of Denver.

The tier argument holds no weight when you're comparing cities of drastically different sizes.

Denver is a very nice city. Salt Lake City is just more advanced in many aspects.

Denver's metro is 2.6 million and SLC's is 1.1 million. Denver is not 3 times the size of SLC. And if you include CSA, Denver is 3.1 million and SLC is 2.3 million. Nor is that 3 times smaller. Try again.

1.1 x 2= 2.2 million (Not far from Denver's metro)
2.3 x 2= 4.6 million (More than Denver's CSA)
Double SLC's GMP and it's still less than Denver's. If SLC's Population was increased by 2, it would still come up short in GMP. The "Denver is 3 times larger" argument is invalid!

As for diversity, Denver it clearly still more diverse.

[Marat]

I've lived in both and they are both wonderful places to live.

I've read through the bickering on this thread and wish to address a few points. SLC supporters claim a closer setting to the mountains and better access to skiing. Denver supporters counter why should this be a determining factor in one being better. A very valid point, one which can be extrapolated to every point being made on this thread. Why should a larger airport be the determining factor? Why should the population be the determining factor? Access to pro sports? Access to alcohol? Of course, without this type of bickering, how would will fill all these threads? Each side pulls out one topic trying to claim victory. In reality, each place is the sum of its parts. We can state personal preferences but there is no definitive answer. It is an individual preference.

As far as population, I would like to make this point. Yes, currently the census bureau gives SLC a metro area of 1.1 million or whatever. However, until very recently, the SLC metro area was defined differently. It was the SLC-Ogden area which is around 1.75 million. In recent years, Ogden was split off into its own metro area. Also, the Provo-Orem area is very much a part of greater SLC metro. People commute back and forth to work in both directions. I know some even commute between Provo and Odgen. It is much more fair to compare the Wasatch Front as a single metro area.

[Mike from back east]

Originally Posted by Marat

I've lived in both and they are both wonderful places to live.

I've read through the bickering on this thread and wish to address a few points. SLC supporters claim a closer setting to the mountains and better access to skiing. Denver supporters counter why should this be a determining factor in one being better. A very valid point, one which can be extrapolated to every point being made on this thread. Why should a larger airport be the determining factor? Why should the population be the determining factor? Access to pro sports? Access to alcohol? Of course, without this type of bickering, how would will fill all these threads? Each side pulls out one topic trying to claim victory. In reality, each place is the sum of its parts. We can state personal preferences but there is no definitive answer. It is an individual preference.

As far as population, I would like to make this point. Yes, currently the census bureau gives SLC a metro area of 1.1 million or whatever. However, until very recently, the SLC metro area was defined differently. It was the SLC-Ogden area which is around 1.75 million. In recent years, Ogden was split off into its own metro area. Also, the Provo-Orem area is very much a part of greater SLC metro. People commute back and forth to work in both directions. I know some even commute between Provo and Odgen. It is much more fair to compare the Wasatch Front as a single metro area.

Thank you. The bolded item is another way of saying these old adages: Comparisons are odious. To each his own.

I request the competitors in this thread to please stop and let it be; no one is going to convince the other and innocent readers don't give a damn to split hairs like this. No need for endless rounds of dueling statistics.

[Mezter]

Originally Posted by Marat

I've lived in both and they are both wonderful places to live.

I've read through the bickering on this thread and wish to address a few points. SLC supporters claim a closer setting to the mountains and better access to skiing. Denver supporters counter why should this be a determining factor in one being better. A very valid point, one which can be extrapolated to every point being made on this thread. Why should a larger airport be the determining factor? Why should the population be the determining factor? Access to pro sports? Access to alcohol? Of course, without this type of bickering, how would will fill all these threads? Each side pulls out one topic trying to claim victory. In reality, each place is the sum of its parts. We can state personal preferences but there is no definitive answer. It is an individual preference.

As far as population, I would like to make this point. Yes, currently the census bureau gives SLC a metro area of 1.1 million or whatever. However, until very recently, the SLC metro area was defined differently. It was the SLC-Ogden area which is around 1.75 million. In recent years, Ogden was split off into its own metro area. Also, the Provo-Orem area is very much a part of greater SLC metro. People commute back and forth to work in both directions. I know some even commute between Provo and Odgen. It is much more fair to compare the Wasatch Front as a single metro area.

I can agree with most of this. I was listing a few reason why I personally like Denver better. SLC is a great place as well!

[Mike from back east]

Originally Posted by vegaspilgrim

... SLC has an absolutely atrocious winter air pollution problem that makes Denver's brown cloud look like a joke....

That's in the news today: "Sickening Fog Settles Over Salt Lake City Area" Click on the small photo, wow.

[dude_reino]

SLC folks always claim that their mountains are closer, but never admit that the acreage of their mountain range is 1/10th of ours.

[Marat]

Originally Posted by dude_reino

SLC folks always claim that their mountains are closer, but never admit that the acreage of their mountain range is 1/10th of ours.

How does this change that they are closer? I'm not really sure what acreage of a mountain range is even. Where did you get the 1/10th figure? Do you remember?

[Now What]

Denver rules. Salt Lake City drools. I wanted to get in on the hating! Both cities offer wonderful things, it just depends on what your priorities are. Anybody moving to either of these awesome cities is making a great move!

[e30is]

Denver. Other than their light rail system, I cannot see any true positives that SLC has over Denver or Boulder.