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Old 07-29-2008, 01:36 PM
 
Location: DEN-CO
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I just got back from a weekend trip to Denver, was sitting on the patio at the Sports Column soaking up the sun and having a beer. I loved it. It may be a bit warm, it was about 95, but from what I hear that's about as hot as it ever gets there. As far as winters are concerned, my sister who lives in CO says it can occassionally get very cold, occassional blizzard, but that it usually quickly warms up to melt the snow. Eastern Colorado does get influenced by the Gulf of Mexico, so the warmer air is usually always right behind the cold snaps. All in all, I'd say the Denver climate is not near as extreme as in SLC.
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Old 07-29-2008, 01:37 PM
 
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Im from denver and it is absolutely amazing here! the people, places, mountains!!! everything is great!
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Old 07-29-2008, 07:28 PM
 
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denver...salt lake...denver salt lake...thats easy DENVER. its bigger, got alot more to do, still close to the mountains for skiing, hunting, etc. its more diverse. you have two different races in utah. which are whites and mormans lol...and its true
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Old 07-29-2008, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Goldwing,

Denver is very liberal, not as hot, not defined by LDS, not as cold & doesn't have *as* wacky of liquor laws. It's still strange not to be able to buy alcohol on Sundays or in grocery stores (I.e. Trader Joe's). But overall I'm glad we picked Denver.
Whoops! We don't have a TJ's in Colorado, but when you find one, let me know.
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Old 07-29-2008, 08:01 PM
 
Location: DEN-CO
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I agree the people are much more friendly, happier in Colorado. When I'm in SLC, it just seems like everyone has to always one up everyone else, and it seems they have an attitude that they're better than everyone else. I happen to work with three of such people, and I really hate it.
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Old 03-09-2009, 03:08 PM
 
Location: DEN-CO
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Default That about says it all of SLC....

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I moved from Denver to SLC a few years ago. It's a...unique city, to say the least.

Pro's (that I've found):

-Low crime rate (although it's hilarious to hear Utahn's talk about their "gang problem" in the Rose Park area.)
-Easy access to mountains, and outdoors activities. I'm not a skiier, but I hear Utah is where it's at for skiing.
-Lots of dog parks, and parks in general. Very pet-friendly state.
-Sheltered environment, which makes it a good place to "find yourself"
-Great place for people with kids, or who like kids
-Inspires a sense of activism in liberals who find themselves living here
-Not a terrible cost of living
-Pretty good public transportation--buses and trax.
-Grid street system. Once you get used to it, it makes it very easy to get around.
-SLC is definitely a more moderate/liberal oasis in the greater Utah region.
-Large variety of mental health treatment centers.

I know others might be able to add more, but honestly, I'm not a fan of SLC. I'm just doing my best to be unbiased (and likely failing...as you'll see from my lengthy list of con's. ).

Con's:

-Dominant Mormon population. Yes, it is possible to get away from it, but it's always there. It affects the entire culture--from the government to the schools to the workplace.
-As a result, many people here are often extremely sheltered, extremely ignorant, and extremely "childlike". I've also found that many make life difficult for those around them, simply by virtue of their own ignorance (aka, making racist commentary without realizing they're being racist).
-Large telecom/customer service/computer engineering population, which dominates the job market. But if that's what you're into, more power to you.
-Lots and lots of children, and lots of young parents who have no idea what boundaries or discipline are. Definitely not a good place for the childfree.
-The entire city shuts down after 9 pm, with the exception of college kids/twenty somethings who throw desperate house parties and drag race around town.
-Don't kid yourself about doing anything on Sundays.
-Terrible arts scene. Case in point: the favorite art of Utah generally involves quaint country landscapes. Otherwise, there's bad theater, uninspired museums, bland or nonexistent music scene, and limited access to diverse arts events--so it's dull all around, and tough for anyone in a creative profession.
-Sprawl like nobody's business. There's been a law on the books that builders can't build "up", so for years they've been building out, and out.
-Ridiculous liquor laws. I'm not a partier, but I'd love to be able to go to the grocery store and grab a bottle of wine for dinner, every once in awhile.
-No seasons to speak of. Here, it's either hot (for months) or cold, gray and snowy (for months). Spring is sort of like a sneeze in between winter and summer, and you'll miss autumn if you blink (although it can be pretty, while it lasts).
-The inversion problem seems to be getting worse every year. SLC has terrible, terrible pollution problems, and seeing a cloud of brown smog hanging over the city doesn't exactly inspire feelings of safety and health.
-If you go to North Salt Lake, you'll see factories chugging smoke and grease into the air, and residents up there have told me the acid rain will eat dots into the paint of their cars. Sexy!
-The drivers here are absolutely insane. It's not rudeness, per se, but sort of an obliviousness that they're driving a vehicle that can cause death. Turn signals do not exist, lane lines are mere "suggestions", and merging is like playing chicken. Drive at your own risk. I try to avoid it as much as possible.
-Almost no competent police force to speak of. This can be nice, particularly after living in COS where the police force is quite heavy--except when you're nearly getting blindsided on the freeway every single day. Once in awhile, it'd be nice to see that dangerous drivers have SOME kind of consequence.
-Very, very low diversity. Even the ethnic populations are whitebread.
-Almost no diverse food markets to speak of.

There's more on either side, I'm sure. If you're a family friendly, religious, moderately liberal (or not politically involved) individual who enjoys skiing, doesn't mind pollution, adores the mountains, loves hot and cold weather, wants a low crime rate and appreciates a sense of feeling "sheltered" from the world--then SLC may be for you.

If, however, you're a strongly liberal, art loving, non-religious, environmentally active, world-aware, childfree individual who desires four distinct seasons, can't stand extreme weather, thrives on diversity, loves good food, and enjoys an ecclectic nightlife--then steer very, very clear.

As for me, I can't wait to get out of here.

Ok, so I've been here for 6 years, had a divorce here and never really got into the dating scene here, which is kind of hit or miss, being non-mormon and all. Also, I've also almost been runned over while walking on the sidewalks, and cross walks a bunch of times.

For the most part, I agree with these statements. I am renting out my place and heading out to Denver next week. The best part of this plan is I've planned it for several years, so I know Denver is where I want to be, and I've just had too many "that's it, I'm done with SLC" moments lately.
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Old 03-09-2009, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Also, salt lake has the utah jazz, which could quite possibly be the lamest pro team in history.
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Old 03-09-2009, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Salt Lake City is an interesting place. They currently have the LOWEST unemployment rate of any major metro area in the nation (1+ million) right now. Not sure why, but they must be doing something right. Also their mountains are spectacular and SLC is closer than Denver to the red rock country of southern Utah that I love. (Although Moab UT is doable as a weekend trip from Denver). But as for living there... I don't know, I don't think I could handle the extreme dominance of the Mormon religion. And their smog is sick-- if I liked smog so much I would just stay in LA. I think it's safe to say that Denver blows away SLC.

Ever seen the movie SLC Punk?
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Old 03-09-2009, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Mile high city
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SLC's population is 181,743.
COS's pop. is 360,8990.

These are both city populations. COS is twice as large as SLC. As for the LDS issue, go take a look on the SLC forum. Perhaps the OP already has. The LDS culture is more pervasive than the Fundamentalist Christian culture of COS. Many non-practicing LDS are LDS nevertheless, and are culturally LDS. I have no issue with the religion, but I've known people who lived in Utah, (in one case is from suburban SLC) who have said it's very hard to be a non-Mormon there. I had a patient from Utah, who was LDS, tell me she wouldn't want to live there if she weren't a Mormon. I know things are changing, but change is usually slow. Out-state Utah is about 90% LDS.

Try these threads from the SLC forum.

Must one be mormon to be happy in SLC?

non-lds children being left out

Upscale SLC areas with many NON-LDS people?
Very good post Katiana. I lived in SLC and coming from the bay area and I experienced a culture shock living in SLC. There is a strong Mormon influence, much more powerful than I experienced in the deep south from evangelist. I even had a very positive attitude when I arrived in SLC but after a while I felt very excluded being not LDS. There is also favoritism with business if you're LDS i.e. discounts etc. Remeber, even in SLC its 50% mormon. That is one hell of a homogenous demographic. Denver is much more like the bay area in terms of its culture. And SLC and Denver are worlds apart in terms of what they have to offer. Denver is a major U.S. city in terms of sports, entertainment, and business. SLC is a much smaller city with a total metro of one milion. SLC does have a nice view of the Rockies but is less accessible despite what people claim in SLC. There are many highways and ski resorts on the west side of the Rockies - there is even a ski train. Also, there are casinos in the Rockies and many small cities scattered throughout. You can even take a bus to the casinos from Denver. In SLC, the bus to cottonwood canyon is two cities down (7200 south?).

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Old 03-09-2009, 05:50 PM
 
Location: DEN-CO
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Utah getting rid of private club membership requirements.

Private clubs on verge of extinction - Salt Lake Tribune

Looks like they are finally catching up, but still, so so far behind Colorado.
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