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Old 12-08-2007, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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I'll be honest. I'm not that familiar with all those towns. You guys are from there I'm not. I just threw that out there for fun. Just sort of an impression I had.

I think I'll go have a pop now.
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Old 12-08-2007, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I still do not agree that it could be considered midwestern, having grown up in New York--I view Ohio as an eastern state. Cleveland is an Eastern City, Buffalo is an Eastern City so to say that Pittsburgh which is east, a midwestern city????

I have been to Pittsburgh many times but many years ago and a somewhat recently. I think it is a beautiful city but I never lived there.

Livecontent
I grew up in the Pittsburgh area, about 15 miles from Ohio, actually. We knew we were Pennsylvanians. We did not identify with Ohio. I do agree with the rest of BarryK123's post about Pittsburgh, though. It is lovely, but there are not many jobs. My DH refers to it as "depressingly depressed". It's not as bad as it was in the early 80s, though. The OP has a job offer, so that will not be a concern.
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Old 12-08-2007, 09:46 PM
 
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I'll be honest. I'm not that familiar with all those towns. You guys are from there I'm not. I just threw that out there for fun. Just sort of an impression I had.

I think I'll go have a pop now.
Charles, I just had a chance to view those Kaisertown Pictures--they brought back some very old faded memories and I got kinda sad but
THEN I saw your hot dog pictures and I choked on my drink.

You did send me a message about your father growing up down the road on Clinton in Chktwg but I was never familiar with that area but Kaisertown--there was a girl....I getting maudlin again

You have a great sense of humor and you accept criticism--good balance.

Livecontent
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Old 12-09-2007, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Menver, CO
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I'm a single, young professional (accountant) from San Diego, and my employer has given me the choice to transfer to Denver or Pittsburgh in April 2008.
Do you have to choose or can you stay in San Diego? IMO, San Diego is better than both of the places you mentioned. Best weather year-round, ocean, tremendous air quality along the coast, awesome restaurants, and plenty of activities. However, if you must move because of work or expenses, I understand. SD is more expensive than CO or PA, but there's a reason for it.
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Old 12-09-2007, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Do you have to choose or can you stay in San Diego? IMO, San Diego is better than both of the places you mentioned. Best weather year-round, ocean, tremendous air quality along the coast, awesome restaurants, and plenty of activities. However, if you must move because of work or expenses, I understand. SD is more expensive than CO or PA, but there's a reason for it.
I'd sort of agree with this too especially since the original poster is a young single person. If anyone is suited for the SoCal lifestyle (and is not a multi kagillionaire), then it would be a single person. Renting not buying, not that concerned about school districts so therefore can live anywhere they want which basically means near the place they work (to avoid traffic). They have tons of disposable time to enjoy all the SoCal amenities all year round.

Things will probably change when the single person gets married and has kids. Then SoCal is a lot more challenging because of the need to find decent housing (for purchase) with good schools. Finding this often requires a horrible commute.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:23 AM
 
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you don't want to move from california to a rusty midwestern town, i promise. that said, take your visits and make your own decision. the midwest is thought to be good for rasing kids and not much else.
First of all, Pittsburgh is hardly midwestern and Denver is more of a plains city (like Omaha, but with mountains). Also, those that think the midwest is good for raising kids and not much else are very ignorant. Chicago is arguably the second most important city in the U.S. Minneapolis kicks the hell out of many cities/metros (large and small). Detroit is still very important to the U.S. economy. There are also cities like St. Louis, Cincinnati, and Madison that are great places.

Try telling a native of Pittsburgh that he/she is midwestern.

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Old 12-09-2007, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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First of all, Pittsburgh is hardly midwestern and Denver is more of a plains city (like Omaha, but with mountains). Also, those that think the midwest is good for raising kids and not much else are very ignorant. Chicago is arguably the second most important city in the U.S. Minneapolis kicks the hell out of many cities/metros (large and small). Detroit is still very important to the U.S. economy. There are also cities like St. Louis, Cincinnati, and Madison that are great places.

Try telling a native of Pittsburgh that he/she is midwestern.
As my British friend would say, "Too True"! The midwesterners don't think so, either. When I moved to Champaign, IL at the tender age of 22, I found out I was part of that hated species "easterner".

I don't really think one part of the country is better than another for raising kids. It's what goes on inside the home that's important. And I'll probably get my butt bit for this, but some midwesterners have a superiority complex that they are somehow better people b/c they don't live in the east or on the west coast, which is supposed to be another den of iniquity (can you tell I just got back from church? lol!).
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Old 12-09-2007, 06:09 PM
 
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Syracuse thinks of itself, as the capital of the central NY region but have you ever seen Carrier, air conditioning plants in Syracuse---Blue Collar. How about the salt mines near Syracuse--Roman type slave blue collar.

livecontent
Just to help clarify...

Carrier doesn't even manufacture in the Syracuse area today. Only about 1,000 Carrier research jobs are left in the area.

salt mines? Are you joking? The Syracuse Salt Mines declined after the Civil War and ended completely around 1930.

Syracuse's major employers today are Education and Health Care...
Syracuse, NY Economy at a Glance
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Old 12-09-2007, 07:04 PM
 
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Just to help clarify...

Carrier doesn't even manufacture in the Syracuse area today. Only about 1,000 Carrier research jobs are left in the area.

salt mines? Are you joking? The Syracuse Salt Mines declined after the Civil War and ended completely around 1930.

Syracuse's major employers today are Education and Health Care...
Syracuse, NY Economy at a Glance
Thanks for the clarification. I am sure of what you say about carrier is true, that the manufacturing facilities are gone--I was trying to make a point that Syracuse is and was not only a white collar town--and the factories were big-I remember them when I went through Syracuse, numerous times.

As far as the salt, I was referring to Salt mines, near Syracuse, not in Syracuse, which declined as you said. A city economy reflects a region, not only what is in its' border. I saw many salt mines from south of Rochester to near Syracuse when I drove to college in Binghamton and Hyde Park. I was surprised by the amount of salt mines in the area. Today there are still salt mines--again, I was trying to show that there are big industrial sites in those areas and that it was not just white collar. People do not necessarity think of salt as a product of the New York and I was jokingly referring to old Roman Slave Salt Mines.

Thanks,

Livecontent
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:21 PM
 
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As far as the salt, I was referring to Salt mines, near Syracuse, not in Syracuse, which declined as you said. A city economy reflects a region, not only what is in its' border. I saw many salt mines from south of Rochester to near Syracuse when I drove to college in Binghamton and Hyde Park. I was surprised by the amount of salt mines in the area. Today there are still salt mines--again, I was trying to show that there are big industrial sites in those areas and that it was not just white collar. People do not necessarity think of salt as a product of the New York and I was jokingly referring to old Roman Slave Salt Mines.

Thanks,

Livecontent
You're welcome!

I'm sorry, maybe I'm mistaken but I know of NO salt mines in all of Onondaga County. If there are any salt mines in Upstate NY, they must employ very few people.

Can you please provide an internet source? I really am interested in knowing where all the salt mines (in the Syracuse area) are located?
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