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Old 09-29-2015, 07:21 PM
 
Location: The Berk in Denver, CO USA
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Let's raise taxes so much that no one wants to move here.
Let's raise taxes so much that every poor person moves away.

See how easy that was.

I will then enjoy my adopted state.
Begone you peons. Remove the hoi polloi from the stadium.
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Old 09-29-2015, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Go D-Town! If only we were #1 in affordability
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1st – poverty rate decrease
I am flabbergasted
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Old 09-29-2015, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Let's raise taxes and get more transportation projects moving. Including Ski Busses during the winter. I prefer living in a growing city than a dying one. Congestion is a symptom of good times.
Yeah, growing is definitely better than decaying, but growing too fast creates distortions, as can be seen historically in many of Colorado's towns. Slow, steady growth is preferable. And if we're growing so fast, that means somewhere else is losing, which is sad but there's not much you can do about that.
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Old 09-30-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I25 through Denver isn't too bad, aside from volume, but south of Castle Rock is 20 years behind the curve of suitability.
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Old 09-30-2015, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Yeah, growing is definitely better than decaying, but growing too fast creates distortions, as can be seen historically in many of Colorado's towns. Slow, steady growth is preferable. And if we're growing so fast, that means somewhere else is losing, which is sad but there's not much you can do about that.
Please give me an example of a city that is growing steady and slowly. When growth comes you go with it! When it slows down you hope that your economy is strong enough for all to survive. I don't want to price anyone out. I think that everyone can win. The solution on affordability is build more high rises and houses. The 21st century hasn't been kind to most people economically. An increase in some taxes and incentives can promote growth in housing and to help the less fortunate. Invest in infrastructure, education, housing and keep the economy humming. I'm not necessarily a growth at all cost person, just want more opportunities for all, not everything has to be a gucci economy.
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Old 09-30-2015, 10:28 AM
 
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Growth, of itself, is not the problem. Lack of a single comprehensive long-term region-wide plan for growth is the problem.

We're decades too late to fix it and with the Denver Metro Area consisting of scores of cities and counties there is no way to ever herd all those cats and solve the mess at a high level. Hopefully the entities bordering Denver will find it in their best interest to cooperate in the future for everyone's benefit.

What all this means is if people want to avoid commuting hell they will have to fix it for themselves by living near where they work. It would help if major employers would not cram themselves into a dense downtown area and exacerbate the all too typical hub-spoke commuting pattern of huge morning inbound flows and huge evening outbound flows from a city core of high-rise concrete canyons.

Problems will probably get worse since we follow a strong ideology of "free enterprise" and "free markets" that landowners may do whatever they wish to do with their property because it's a free country yadda yadda and how dare any stoopid guv'mint tell me what I can do with my prop-uh-tee. Hogwash.

Retrofitting mass transit onto all of that anything-goes and plop-it-down-wherever-you-want ideology costs a freaking fortune due to the complexity of the work and amounts to a band-aid on a sucking chest wound. Still, the emerging rail system in the Denver Metro Area will reshape areas along its lines (but that's about all) as I witnessed in the DC area over 30+ years of completion. If one is not located near to one of the lines, then it sucks for you.

When I visited Germany in the 1980s for my employer the rigid use of land planning was obvious, there was almost no suburban sprawl anywhere to be seen. One side of a street was city, the other side was farmland, no macmansions on 5-acre lots. Mass transit went just about everywhere and you really could get by without a car. At that time, West Germany had 50M people in a space the size of Oregon and smart use of land was critical.

Of course we have massive space here but spreading it out without any real plan for a REGION results in a mess and endless hand-wringing over growth and sprawl.
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Old 09-30-2015, 02:00 PM
 
Location: TOVCCA
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the solution on affordability is build more high rises and houses.
That's what Las Vegas thought. Now the glut of entire neighborhoods of empty SF houses, and half-filled high-rises is staggering. "Planning ahead" doesn't always work the way people think it will.
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