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View Poll Results: Are toll roads a failure in Colorado?
Yes 18 56.25%
No 14 43.75%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-01-2016, 09:11 AM
 
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IMHO Toll roads and privatized roads are an abomination - restricting peoples' freedom of movement, and an indication of improper use of Government / local authorities' tax money (originally collected from the very same people). BOO to toll roads and greedy Banksters and companies!
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Old 02-01-2016, 09:26 AM
 
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IMHO Toll roads and privatized roads are an abomination - restricting peoples' freedom of movement, and an indication of improper use of Government / local authorities' tax money (originally collected from the very same people). BOO to toll roads and greedy Banksters and companies!
How do the toll roads in Colorado restrict peoples' movement?

The way Colorado is setting up toll infrastructure, like the addition of the a lane each way on US-36, is a public-private partnership. The company eats the cost of building and maintaining the infrastructure, and has to make the money back through tolls. Supposedly if they lose money the state will not be on the hook for their losses, so the impact to taxpayers isn't there.
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Old 02-01-2016, 04:01 PM
 
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My property taxes here are far lower here than in VA.

This chart says we're 38th on the list.
That same chart ranks Virginia at 41st in the nation for overall tax burden. Their gas tax is about the same as Colorado's as well. They seem to get by without a ton of toll roads.
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Old 02-01-2016, 04:44 PM
 
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That same chart ranks Virginia at 41st in the nation for overall tax burden. Their gas tax is about the same as Colorado's as well. They seem to get by without a ton of toll roads.
They have:

DC Metro
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Dulles Toll Road
Dulles Greenway
495/95 Express Lanes


Richmond:
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Downtown Expressway
Boulevard Bridge
Pocahontas Parkway


Norfolk Area:
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George P Coleman Bridge
Chesapeake Bay Tunnel
Chesapeake Expressway
Jordan Bridge
Downtown/Midtown Tunnels
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Old 02-01-2016, 04:49 PM
 
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One state that really stands out is New Jersey. They have crazy toll roads, higher sales tax, insane property taxes, and a pretty high income tax.

Edit: <Note: Higher sales tax means higher than many other states; income tax is higher for those at higher incomes>.
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Old 02-02-2016, 06:41 AM
 
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Gas taxes are more than double in PA than they are in CO. PA has the highest gas tax per gallon in the nation. When we're talking about revenue for roads, this is significant.
Interesting. I didn't know that. When I lived there, I mostly got my gas in NJ, as I lived 4 miles from the state line and was there frequently. As I recall, the difference was usually about 20 cents/gal. Guess the difference in gas tax was blunted by being all full-serve (required by law).
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Old 02-02-2016, 08:38 AM
 
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How do the toll roads in Colorado restrict peoples' movement?
If I have to pay in order to get from point A to point B, and there is no reasonably-distanced alternate route, then that's a case of restricting my freedom of movement. Classic old form of feudalism.
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Old 02-02-2016, 08:41 AM
 
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If I have to pay in order to get from point A to point B, and there is no reasonably-distanced alternate route, then that's a case of restricting my freedom of movement. Classic old form of feudalism.
Which road or roads does this happen on?
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Old 02-02-2016, 09:00 AM
 
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If I have to pay in order to get from point A to point B, and there is no reasonably-distanced alternate route, then that's a case of restricting my freedom of movement. Classic old form of feudalism.
Explain to us where you are FORCED to pay in order to get from Point A to Point B. I can get anywhere I want to in this state without having to pay a dime in tolls.
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Old 02-02-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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If I have to pay in order to get from point A to point B, and there is no reasonably-distanced alternate route, then that's a case of restricting my freedom of movement. Classic old form of feudalism.
E-470 restricts movement if somebody doesn't want to pay. Paying for tolls on I-70 west of Idaho Springs restricts movement if traffic is heavy and driver refuses to pay for expensive tolls.
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