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Old 06-23-2016, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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A have a lot of friends in high school who came out here after graduation with no money or job. They made it work, but that was also back in the mid 2000s, when you probably could actually pull it off.

I still occasionally will get messages from old friends who are curious about moving out here. I try to talk them out of it, but their tunnel vision is so intense that they usually get defensive about me asking questions. They also have no work experience and are currently holding part time jobs at a retail store. The conversation usually ends with something like, "How much money do you have saved"? The answer is usually "well nothing right now", which then I reply "Don't even bother trying".

I was going to offer my 19 year old cousin to live with me so she could escape her toxic home enviroment and start over. She visited me for a week as a trial, spent all of her money on weed and crappy beer from 7-11 by day 5.
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Old 06-23-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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a city which has the worst safety-net of any large city in America.
How are you quantifying this statement? It seems like opinion with no factual backing.

On this list, Denver is 25th best out of 150 cities:
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-worst...bilities/7164/

Colorado does not appear on this list of the ten states dolling out the least amount of government benefits:
States With the Most (and Least) Government Benefits - 24/7 Wall St.

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Old 06-23-2016, 06:13 PM
 
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A have a lot of friends in high school who came out here after graduation with no money or job. They made it work, but that was also back in the mid 2000s, when you probably could actually pull it off.

I still occasionally will get messages from old friends who are curious about moving out here. I try to talk them out of it, but their tunnel vision is so intense that they usually get defensive about me asking questions. They also have no work experience and are currently holding part time jobs at a retail store. The conversation usually ends with something like, "How much money do you have saved"? The answer is usually "well nothing right now", which then I reply "Don't even bother trying".

I was going to offer my 19 year old cousin to live with me so she could escape her toxic home enviroment and start over. She visited me for a week as a trial, spent all of her money on weed and crappy beer from 7-11 by day 5.
^^^ In my opinion this is the main problem w/ a lot of the recent (post-2012) homeless around town. I strongly suspect a lot of them decided to come here when word got around about the legal weed. As soon as legal weed went "public" that was the beginning of the end for us natives, but I digress.

My best guess is a lot of them caught wind of the legal weed law and thought to themselves:

"hey! weed is legal in Colorado now, I think i'll move there"

..... the only problem is, that's literally where their thought process ended They didn't bother to properly plan, get a job lined up, get an apartment leased, or at the very LEAST set up a roommates arrangement w/ locally-based family or friends. Even buying a used high-mileage Ford cargo van off Craigslist (to live in) would have been better than nothing, but they didn't even bother w/ that

And so they arrive here w/ no plan, spend what little money they came with on weed or drugs, and unsurprisingly end up homeless.

Never underestimate the lengths an addict will go to just to get their drug(s), if addicts will commit actual crimes for drug-money it wouldn't surprise me at all if they would move across the country for drugs as well.

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Old 06-23-2016, 09:50 PM
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Location: The State of Delusion - Colorado
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Default Progress?

Denver police plan to increase enforcement on 16th Street Mall – The Denver Post
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Old 06-24-2016, 01:28 AM
 
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When will they actually put some good stores along the mall? I keep seeing that they want to make it a destination, but with generic boring stores it won't happen. If they really put in the effort to put some big names in there I think the 16th st mall could be great but I guess a McDonald's, Taco Bell, and a Ross along with some touristy shops is "exciting" the least they could do is the clean the place up and put more security along the mall which looks like they are in the process of.
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Old 06-24-2016, 02:00 AM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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I think 16th Street needs more advertising like Tokyo, high end boutique and flashy stores with tons of lights similar to the Vegas Strip (without casinos) obviously.
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Old 06-24-2016, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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When will they actually put some good stores along the mall? I keep seeing that they want to make it a destination, but with generic boring stores it won't happen. If they really put in the effort to put some big names in there I think the 16th st mall could be great but I guess a McDonald's, Taco Bell, and a Ross along with some touristy shops is "exciting" the least they could do is the clean the place up and put more security along the mall which looks like they are in the process of.
They've tried that in the Pavilions area. Nike was there and now I think that space is an H&M. They had a Virgin megastore which is I think now a restaurant. My impression is that a lot of the boutique shops in the Pavilions have struggled, and they seem to come and go. There was a Barnes & Noble bookstore there for years. I saw recently that it's gone and they are replacing it with something else.

For whatever reasons, the Mall isn't generally a strong location for major retail stores.
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:58 AM
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Location: The State of Delusion - Colorado
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They've tried that in the Pavilions area. Nike was there and now I think that space is an H&M. They had a Virgin megastore which is I think now a restaurant. My impression is that a lot of the boutique shops in the Pavilions have struggled, and they seem to come and go. There was a Barnes & Noble bookstore there for years. I saw recently that it's gone and they are replacing it with something else.

For whatever reasons, the Mall isn't generally a strong location for major retail stores.
I imagine the rents must be outrageous. I always thought an Apple Store would be a good anchor store in the Pavilions.

Virgin Records went out, because nobody buys records anymore, at least not in large quantities. Sort of the same with B&N, and they're struggling nationwide. I was sad to see them go.

As far as I'm concerned, H&M is overpriced hipster clothes. I don't shop there. I don't really know how

Coyote Ugly has survived so long. It's always empty when I pass by.

Lucky Strike is a good option, because it's an entertainment venue.

I think they're putting in a Swedish home goods store in there now in lieu of B&N. We'll have to wait and see how that plays out.

I personally think that more interactive entertainment options need to be in the Pavilions. Those are the types of places that would survive there, not overpriced retail chain stores.
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:07 AM
 
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I thought with the legalization of marijuana that Denver would become a hippie paradise.

Sarcasm aside, if the Denver police did residency investigations of these homeless / transients, I have a sneaking suspiscion that a disproportionate number are not locals, or even relatively long term transplants. Rather, they are recent arrivals drawn to Colorado by the promise of easy access to a drug lifestyle.

Having run out of money and having very limited employment skills, they then drift into crime and vagrancy.
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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I thought with the legalization of marijuana that Denver would become a hippie paradise.

Sarcasm aside, if the Denver police did residency investigations of these homeless / transients, I have a sneaking suspiscion that a disproportionate number are not locals, or even relatively long term transplants. Rather, they are recent arrivals drawn to Colorado by the promise of easy access to a drug lifestyle.

Having run out of money and having very limited employment skills, they then drift into crime and vagrancy.
Well of course it's all about the weed, that much is obvious just from seeing all the out-of-state license plates around town starting after 2012. In my entire life here (and I've been here 25+ years) I have NEVER seen anything like this w/ the sheer amount of out of towners driving around, this is something else altogether

The bridge nearby used to have a lone homeless bum *sometimes* posted there w/ a cardboard message (but only a few days a week), I don't see him anymore. Now I see about 3 new homeless dudes posted on either end of the median, almost EVERY day. One is on the corner closest to the gas station, another is on the other side of the bridge next to the highway off-ramp, and the third one hangs around the middle area directly under the bridge. I've never seen them before so I assume they are out of towners or new.

The local park I sometimes go for a walk in has a recent homeless dude who appears to be living out of his blue Ford sedan. I see him parked there at the same spot both when I go get my morning coffee and also later on in the day when I drive by there to get lunch.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the recent rise in homeless folk loitering around the city is somehow "connected" to the recent rash/epidemic of vehicles having their rear windshields smashed and the contents (if any) stolen by the perpetrator under cover of darkness. Gotta get that drug-money I suppose

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