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Old 06-24-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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I think 16th Street needs more advertising like Tokyo, high end boutique and flashy stores with tons of lights similar to the Vegas Strip (without casinos) obviously.
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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Well of course it's all about the weed, that much is obvious just from seeing all the out-of-state license plates around town starting after 2012. In my entire life here (and I've been here 25+ years) I have NEVER seen anything like this w/ the sheer amount of out of towners driving around, this is something else altogether
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Old 06-24-2016, 11:24 AM
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Well of course it's all about the weed
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I personally think the vagrant problem is because of the location. We are the only major city for hundreds of miles. The weather is pretty good. There are amenities. And there are a lot of middle-class people to pester for money, food, drugs, booze, etc. Outside of maybe the west coast and South Florida, I don't know a better place where these people could migrate to. Plus, up until recently, the cops didn't bother them. The vagrants have it made.

FWIW, I was running down the Cherry Creek path this morning around 6:30am, and the vagrant crews already started congregating and getting ready for their day of soliciting free stuff and shooting up. I actually think I heard a cyclist shout out, "Go back home!" while riding by, but I could be wrong. I really felt for the women who were running down the path, as they must have felt very at ease with all the grimy, suspicious-looking vagrants loitering under the overpasses.
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Old 06-24-2016, 11:42 AM
 
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I personally think the vagrant problem is because of the location. We are the only major city for hundreds of miles.
Why wasn't it as big a problem 5 years ago then? I see what you're saying, but there's no denying the general uptick in homeless around town is fairly new. 5 or 10 years ago I rarely saw these guys outside of their usual areas such as down-town, Cherry creek, Colfax area, Federal blvd, etc.

But now, these guys are starting to pop up even out here in Littleton/Lakewood/SW corner of Denver. I've even been told by some colleagues that they can now be found loitering on outer edges of Highlands Ranch, which is a fairly nice area.
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Old 06-24-2016, 11:46 AM
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Why wasn't it as big a problem 5 years ago then? I see what you're saying, but there's no denying the general uptick in homeless around town is fairly new. 5 or 10 years ago I rarely saw these guys outside of their usual areas such as down-town, Cherry creek, Colfax area, Federal blvd, etc.

But now, these guys are starting to pop up even out here in Littleton/Lakewood/SW corner of Denver. I've even been told by some colleagues that they can now be found loitering on outer edges of Highlands Ranch, which is a fairly nice area.
Because Denver is all the rage these days. One could argue the same thing about the rapid population growth in general. Why weren't all these people here 10+ years ago? I'm sure the word has carried amongst the vagrant population as well. Weed might have some impact, but I think a lot of these people are shooting up opiates as well, which is an illegal substance. I see a lot more used needles on the ground and have witnessed some of the ODing on the bike path recently.

I agree, they are on every major intersection. Guys, I'm from the Detroit area, and they don't even have this problem. And I emphasize that this is a problem. From public health concerns to public resources, these people are a drain no matter how you cut it. I'm glad that DPD is going to start cracking down on this.
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Old 06-24-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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Why wasn't it as big a problem 5 years ago then? I see what you're saying, but there's no denying the general uptick in homeless around town is fairly new. 5 or 10 years ago I rarely saw these guys outside of their usual areas such as down-town, Cherry creek, Colfax area, Federal blvd, etc.

But now, these guys are starting to pop up even out here in Littleton/Lakewood/SW corner of Denver. I've even been told by some colleagues that they can now be found loitering on outer edges of Highlands Ranch, which is a fairly nice area.
The recession displaced a ton of people who weren't doing very well to begin with and sent them looking for a new start. Denver was, at the time, a very much talked-about city for things other than weed.

Look, when I moved here five years ago, I didn't even know weed was medically legal and was shocked when I got out here. I thought the city just had a big skunk infestation.

But as soon as I said I was moving to Denver, everyone got very excited for me, talking about the mountain activities, the climate, the location at the center of the city, breweries, Red Rocks, etc. Nobody mentioned weed.

Weed has been an attraction for two types of people that I have spoken with - the people who have a serious medical need, for one. My former roommate has two degenerative diseases, either of which will put him in a wheelchair in the next decade. He came out here for the medical pot. And people who are pot enthusiasts who want to get into what they see as a burgeoning industry, not just smoke up and sit on the couch all day. Heck, when I let my 85-year-old investment-savvy father know what was going on, he demanded to know why i wasn't trying to bust into the industry myself and if he could get involved in it, even though I never even tried pot till I got out here at 35 and to this day only use it for medical purposes because I find being high very annoying.

And yes, many people still see Denver as a sort of cowtown. My buddies used to joke that I was moving into the set of one of Richard Parker's Virgil Cole novels. Given our country's obsession with the mythos of "The West" many people have romanticized ideas about the opportunities here - to forge a new identity, to live off the land (hah!), to find a new field of work, etc. It's closer than Alaska, and there are a huge number of people who get stranded in that state.
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Old 06-24-2016, 01:13 PM
 
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Denver was better when it was a cowtown.
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Old 06-24-2016, 01:17 PM
 
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Denver was better when it was a cowtown.
How was it better?
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Old 06-24-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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How was it better?
That's easy, just a few examples:

less people translates to higher quality of life
less people translates to cheaper housing/rent, and vice versa (see California)
less people translates to more available jobs/higher pay
less people translates to less traffic/less pollution
less people translates to less crime
and the list goes on and on
less people is just "better" overall, once there's too many people in a given area quality of life starts to tank and prices/costs start to creep up

Colorado is full, that's why everything is so damn expensive these days. In the past or "cow town" times it was a different story though. There were certainly not as many homeless as there are now.
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Old 06-24-2016, 01:44 PM
 
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That's easy, just a few examples:

less people translates to higher quality of life
less people translates to cheaper housing/rent, and vice versa (see California)
less people translates to more available jobs/higher pay
less people translates to less traffic/less pollution
less people translates to less crime
and the list goes on and on
less people is just "better" overall, once there's too many people in a given area quality of life starts to tank and prices/costs start to creep up

Colorado is full, that's why everything is so damn expensive these days. In the past or "cow town" times it was a different story though. There were certainly not as many homeless as there are now.
Fair enough but how was the economy then?
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