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Old 02-24-2008, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield, MO
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sounds eerily familiar to LA
What do you expect when half of Colorado seems to be from SoCal? lol. The reasons California is the way it is are fairly applicable to Colorado, too. Fortunately, I don't think it's too late for Colorado to have a little foresight and ensure it doesn't become the next California.
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield, MO
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WestCoDude -- that is completely unnecessary. tfox asked a reasonable question. You can disagree all you want with her opinion, but you do not need to become insulting. There are several great posters here on the Denver forum, but I think an argument could be made that tfox does more to inform people in a helpful, reasonable manner than anyone. She does not deserve to have insults hurled her way.
It wasn't mean insultingly.

But...for the record...I know much, much more about Denver than I do about St. Louis. I'm a native Coloradan, in fact. And simply disagreeing with Hickenlooper doesn't mean you're not a REAL Denverite. lol.
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Old 02-24-2008, 09:17 PM
 
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I know that SOME arts funding is metro-wide...and so is mass transit. But there are numerous projects--particularly LoDo redevelopment, Stapleton, etc. which ARE taxable to Denver proper. Hickenlooper is trying to create a city centered around the so-called "Creative Class" and, by all indications, he's been fairly successful. The problem is that cities like that don't last. You need taxes to support them and that essentially pushes out the middle class and families. Denver is creating a top-heavy economy that relies upon illegal immigrants to service the wealthy. It has effectively demolished the middle class.
There's some truth to the contention that rising property values are pushing the middle class out of Denver -- I've seen this myself and it's probably one of the biggest challenges Denver faces right now. That said, I'm still totally confused with where you're going on your claims about Denver taxes, but I think the facts speak for themselves on that point.

As for this whole "city-versus-the-suburbs" business, it's a bit discouraging, actually, to continue to hear remnants of that bad old rivalry that should have been banished a decade ago. I think one of the strongest metrics of metropolitan dysfunction is the level of cooperation (or lack thereof) between city and suburbs. When you have an antagonistic relationship (example: Detroit) you have a broken and declining metro area. When the relationship is healthy, as it generally is in Denver, it leads to a win-win. Like it or not, in the metro area we're all on a train together, and Denver is the locomotive of that train. As Denver goes, so go the 'burbs and vice-versa.
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Old 02-24-2008, 09:40 PM
 
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As for this whole "city-versus-the-suburbs" business, it's a bit discouraging, actually, to continue to hear remnants of that bad old rivalry that should have been banished a decade ago.

I think one of the strongest metrics of metropolitan dysfunction is the level of cooperation (or lack thereof) between city and suburbs. When you have an antagonistic relationship (example: Detroit) you have a broken and declining metro area. When the relationship is healthy, as it generally is in Denver, it leads to a win-win. Like it or not, in the metro area we're all on a train together, and Denver is the locomotive of that train. As Denver goes, so go the 'burbs and vice-versa.
Amen on both points. Nuff said about urbanism vs suburbanism. Relative to metro area cooperation, we did NOT have that back in the DC metro area. What we had were two states (MD & VA) that hated each other and went out of their way to be antagonistic and uncooperative. The city of Washington, DC was in the middle, always broke (thanks to Congress) - with a laughable city government (Marion Barry, et al). Further, the individual counties in each state played beggar thy neighbor by using deliberate zoning games to push population growth to the next county further out (read that as young couples with kid$ needing school$ being built). The result is a total me$$, especially the traffic. That's why we came here. If Denver managed to pull off regional harmony and effort, that is a MAJOR accomplishment which is not to be taken lightly - at all.
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Old 02-24-2008, 10:01 PM
 
Location: RSM
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There's some truth to the contention that rising property values are pushing the middle class out of Denver -- I've seen this myself and it's probably one of the biggest challenges Denver faces right now. That said, I'm still totally confused with where you're going on your claims about Denver taxes, but I think the facts speak for themselves on that point.
well, considering what i see as similar wages(maybe a tad lower) in the denver area compared to OC/LA, the properties are still 1/2 to 1/3 as much from my recent searchings in these areas. the middle class still has it much better than every major city in CA(and coastal hubs like portland and seattle) while still having a western feel, good wages, plenty of educated folk, and good schools(which is not the case in various degrees in other less-expensive western towns like vegas, las cruces, albequerque, etc). i imagine the californians that have already relocated have seen the same things that i have in my search to own a good home for a family at a reasonable price.

basically, denver sticks out to me because it gives me almost everything i have already in so cal without the constant heat and with infinitely more affordable real estate
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Old 02-25-2008, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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If Denver managed to pull off regional harmony and effort, that is a MAJOR accomplishment which is not to be taken lightly - at all.
As my British friend would say, "too true". People on other forums are amazead that we have regional support for the cultural and scientific facilities, a widespread mass transit system, etc.
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Old 06-30-2008, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Green Valley Ranch, CO
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Wow. I am so confused! I am just not seeing it. We live in Green Valley Ranch in Denver, we live on the North side of the golfcourse, and it is a close-knit community, we love our neighbors. We go for walks at night and cook-outs the people are so friendly. I am not quite understanding where the word "next slum" fits in as some have mentioned GVR comes to mind. We have had absolutely no problems, we have lived there for almost 3 years. The houses up the street from us are more than $350k and I don't understand how that could turn into a slum. And NO, I am NOT a real-estate agent or related to anyone who works in construction or GVR!!! People are quick to negatively judge GVR while there are other parts of Denver that are much worse in crime - just recently Castle Rock of all places. What am I missing? Is ignorance bliss, have I just been lucky to have not had a bad experience or what am I missing?
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Burque!
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When it becomes too expensive to travel the distance between work and home... it will be unprobable that it will remain how it is today. Although slum I think is a bit off... I'd say... desolate waste-land.

You might want to look into solar/wind and the Chevy Volt.

J/k I think it will survive, but the infrastructure will need to change.
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