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Old 03-27-2017, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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I'd also like to point out that chains > anything in true adverse conditions. I've passed some struggling 4WD trucks/SUVs in some rural areas with my FWD and chains with all-seasons. I'd bet that you throw chains on the FWD with summer tires in that video and it makes it up top.

Yes, chains are a PITA to put on and can't be worn on asphalt, but I'd take chains any day in back country rural roads in the winter.
Yes, however extremely impractical. You're not going to put on chains for your icy morning commute. This is where studless winter tires are so valuable.
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Old 03-27-2017, 07:54 AM
 
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Just make sure you are NOT putting chains on snow tires. They only go on all season tires only
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Golden, CO
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Just make sure you are NOT putting chains on snow tires. They only go on all season tires only
What's wrong with using chains on snow tires for additional traction in deep snow?
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Old 03-28-2017, 06:29 AM
 
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What's wrong with using chains on snow tires for additional traction in deep snow?


The rubber is too soft and it will destroy the tire. DO NOT put tire chains on snow tires.
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Denver
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The rubber is too soft and it will destroy the tire. DO NOT put tire chains on snow tires.
Do you have a source for this? We were in Taos, NM for Christmas and half of the "locals" had studded snow tires and snow chains on in the ski village.

That being said, if your option is to be in a situation where your snow tires aren't getting you through, putting chains on for a few miles is better than being stuck.
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Old 03-29-2017, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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Do you have a source for this? We were in Taos, NM for Christmas and half of the "locals" had studded snow tires and snow chains on in the ski village.

That being said, if your option is to be in a situation where your snow tires aren't getting you through, putting chains on for a few miles is better than being stuck.
She works in the tire industry.

Studded tires are often a different, harder rubber compound than the softer rubber used in non studded snows. The softer rubber and aggressive tread pattern on the non studded snows is actually better than studs in snow. Studs are better on ice. There is data in this thread showing this.
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:04 AM
 
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Yes, I'm in the tire industry. If you're really concerned about it-purchase studded snow tires---Cooper, Nokian, Hankook, etc.


But please do not put snow chains on snow tires-I have seen what it can do and it was several thousand in damages to the vehicle. Also, chains are meant for only immediate dire situations. Do not keep them on for longer than you have to.
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:43 AM
 
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She works in the tire industry.

Studded tires are often a different, harder rubber compound than the softer rubber used in non studded snows. The softer rubber and aggressive tread pattern on the non studded snows is actually better than studs in snow. Studs are better on ice. There is data in this thread showing this.
Is this true across all brands? I know at one point in time, Nokian had a warehouse in northern New England where their Hakkapeliitta's were being studded as needed. This was probably 15 years ago.

I may have an unstudded one as a spare where I can check to see if the stud holes are in there.

FWIW, great thread. I'm going to use it next year when the CT guys argue over "snows or not"
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Fargo ND
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I went from a BMW M3 to a 4Runner. I always ran Nokian winter tires on the M3 because it was a high horsepower RWD car. My first winter with the 4Runner I thought "All Seasons will be fine in this beast". It took me exactly one snow storm before I ran out and put Blizzaks on it. There is no comparison.

We currently have a 4Runner and a Land Cruiser. Both get Blizzaks in the winter.

yup, the Nokian Hakkapeliitta is the absolute best winter tire..... period, but a bit expensive


The Blizzaks are very good but for the same money you could have the Michelin X-Ice 3, slightly higher rated winter tire
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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Is this true across all brands? I know at one point in time, Nokian had a warehouse in northern New England where their Hakkapeliitta's were being studded as needed. This was probably 15 years ago.

I may have an unstudded one as a spare where I can check to see if the stud holes are in there.

FWIW, great thread. I'm going to use it next year when the CT guys argue over "snows or not"
No. Some studded tire use the softer rubbers, but I have seen some of the cheaper brands don't. Nokian uses great rubber.
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