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Old 02-15-2017, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I hear that argument every time anything is proposed here in Tampa, guess what we end up with. Nothing.

You have to start somewhere. There is at least some presence of public transit there, the hyperloop will take YEARS to get running and then even more years to truly be useful (going to more than 1 location) but you have to get the ball rolling for any progress to be made.
I agree with that, but I don't think the hyperloop would serve any purpose without having the infrastructure around it. I remember back during the summer Olympics in Atlanta there was a tremendous amount of talk for a high speed train between Augusta, GA and Atlanta. That never happened.

If you want to lesson traffic I don't think the hyperloop is an answer. The metro barely gets crowded, why are people going to start riding a hyper loop. I've been on the metro and was one of two people in the train car - my wife was the other. That was the last time we rode it, because it was so ridiculously expensive and slow.

But, it is just my opinion. They've talked about high speed trains between LA and San Diego, LA and San Fran, NYC to DC, Boston to NYC - those are better ideas.
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I agree with that, but I don't think the hyperloop would serve any purpose without having the infrastructure around it. I remember back during the summer Olympics in Atlanta there was a tremendous amount of talk for a high speed train between Augusta, GA and Atlanta. That never happened.

If you want to lesson traffic I don't think the hyperloop is an answer. The metro barely gets crowded, why are people going to start riding a hyper loop. I've been on the metro and was one of two people in the train car - my wife was the other. That was the last time we rode it, because it was so ridiculously expensive and slow.

But, it is just my opinion. They've talked about high speed trains between LA and San Diego, LA and San Fran, NYC to DC, Boston to NYC - those are better ideas.
People will use the hyperloop to commute and save time. Why spend hours commuting when the hyperloop turns that into minutes. It will also give people the freedom to live in cheaper areas further away without having to sacrifice time to drive. I agree with you Denver transit in the city is lacking however hyperloop could serve as a catalyst for more transit investment.
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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People will use the hyperloop to commute and save time. Why spend hours commuting when the hyperloop turns that into minutes. It will also give people the freedom to live in cheaper areas further away without having to sacrifice time to drive. I agree with you Denver transit in the city is lacking however hyperloop could serve as a catalyst for more transit investment.
You're forgetting the largest factor in success: Price

You could, in theory have a 20 minute train from Denver to the Springs. What's the cost though?

The measly A line to the airport is $9 on a route that's around 25 miles. Denver to the Springs is around 3x that, plus infrastructure costs and the high speed aspect, I'd assume the cost of the train would be around $30 in today's $$. That's $60/day so $1200/month for the train. No one is going to buy a house in the Springs to save $$ just to spend $1200/month on a train.
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Why DIA to Greeley? Why not DIA to Boulder instead?
Because the cost of land and all the zoning regulations in Boulder County would double the cost.


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People will use the hyperloop to commute and save time. Why spend hours commuting when the hyperloop turns that into minutes. It will also give people the freedom to live in cheaper areas further away without having to sacrifice time to drive. I agree with you Denver transit in the city is lacking however hyperloop could serve as a catalyst for more transit investment.
Then why not make it a straight shot from DIA to .... maybe Fort Morgan and run it alongside I-76. Then we can start a whole new master planned metro out on the farmland.
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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You're forgetting the largest factor in success: Price

You could, in theory have a 20 minute train from Denver to the Springs. What's the cost though?

The measly A line to the airport is $9 on a route that's around 25 miles. Denver to the Springs is around 3x that, plus infrastructure costs and the high speed aspect, I'd assume the cost of the train would be around $30 in today's $$. That's $60/day so $1200/month for the train. No one is going to buy a house in the Springs to save $$ just to spend $1200/month on a train.
I doubt tickets would cost that much maybe 10 dollars a day even if the price is a little higher the convenience of a ten minute commute would be the deciding factor for commuters.
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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round trip between DC and Baltimore (camden line on MARC) is $16 per day with over 5,000 people a day.
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I doubt tickets would cost that much maybe 10 dollars a day even if the price is a little higher the convenience of a ten minute commute would be the deciding factor for commuters.
Why would a high-speed rail ticket that is 3x the distance cost the same as a light rail that is to/from the airport? Low-speed heavy-rail tickets for a Suburban Chicago station to downtown Chicago is $14 RT. High speed rail would easily be $30++

You're severely underestimating the cost of building, maintaining and running a high-speed rail network.

edit: Also, a 10 minute commute isn't going to happen. High speed rail wouldn't happen once you're in the Denver metro area due to noise concerns and safety. It'd probably be more like 25-30 minutes.

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Old 02-15-2017, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I would also bet that the hypertrain doesn't even go to downtown Denver. It'd probably stop somewhere out by 470/25 and then a light rail debacle into denver.

I agree with the earlier post in that it should go to DIA. Then a debacle from DIA to downtown. But, the Colorado Springs airport might have something to say about that.
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Castle Rock, Co
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Why would a high-speed rail ticket that is 3x the distance cost the same as a light rail that is to/from the airport? Low-speed heavy-rail tickets for a Suburban Chicago station to downtown Chicago is $14 RT. High speed rail would easily be $30++

You're severely underestimating the cost of building, maintaining and running a high-speed rail network.

edit: Also, a 10 minute commute isn't going to happen. High speed rail wouldn't happen once you're in the Denver metro area due to noise concerns and safety. It'd probably be more like 25-30 minutes.
Im sure hyperloop would be nice and quiet being inside of a vacuum tube
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Why would a high-speed rail ticket that is 3x the distance cost the same as a light rail that is to/from the airport? Low-speed heavy-rail tickets for a Suburban Chicago station to downtown Chicago is $14 RT. High speed rail would easily be $30++

You're severely underestimating the cost of building, maintaining and running a high-speed rail network.

edit: Also, a 10 minute commute isn't going to happen. High speed rail wouldn't happen once you're in the Denver metro area due to noise concerns and safety. It'd probably be more like 25-30 minutes.
Hyperloop is not high speed rail it would be much cheaper and faster.
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