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Old 07-06-2018, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Sadly, evap cooling is becoming less the norm these days. I doubt you'd see new home builders installing them in Denver or Phoenix for that matter. Dear late uncle installed them all over Denver. He was always busy.

I like them because you leave the windows open. But when there are ozone advisories, I shut the windows and flip on the AC.
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Old 07-06-2018, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Sadly, evap cooling is becoming less the norm these days. I doubt you'd see new home builders installing them in Denver or Phoenix for that matter. Dear late uncle installed them all over Denver. He was always busy.

I like them because you leave the windows open. But when there are ozone advisories, I shut the windows and flip on the AC.
That's correct - because they are already installing duct work for the furnace so it's not a big deal to put in a central a/c unit tied into that. Installing a swamp cooler is MORE work because it has to be done separately.
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Old 07-06-2018, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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That's correct - because they are already installing duct work for the furnace so it's not a big deal to put in a central a/c unit tied into that. Installing a swamp cooler is MORE work because it has to be done separately.
The cost of an evaporative cooler is one-quarter to one-tenth that of an AC system. It took me a day and a half to install mine because I was very fussy about getting the through-wall portal correctly finished.
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Old 07-06-2018, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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The cost of an evaporative cooler is one-quarter to one-tenth that of an AC system. It took me a day and a half to install mine because I was very fussy about getting the through-wall portal correctly finished.
Not always ideal to install though the wall. Many people want roof installation and ducting in which case it is not cheaper to install, especially if you have a forced air heating system in the house already like many do.
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Old 07-09-2018, 07:23 PM
 
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This has been a really informative thread for me. I am going to make some updates to my home and I'm definitely going with central AC. I've got ducts already for the forced-air heat, so it shouldn't be THAT big of a deal.

I have a window unit but it's not THAT great beyond use in a single room and my windows slide horizontally, so...

I moved here almost a decade ago, and my general feeling is that the summers have been getting worse. This year has been pretty bad. I get weather-related headaches, so I'm kind of living in constant fear of one hitting me, triggered by the heat. When you're in a house that's virtually a sauna, it becomes impossible to deal with. I work from home, so I'm around all day. And I think this summer heat is only going to get worse as the years pass - my friends who grew up here say it's definitely been a progression.

The whole swamp cooler idea is not appealing because they make things damp, ime.

So AC for sure. To me, the cost is worth it. This is my home, but it's also my work environment.
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Old 07-09-2018, 07:47 PM
 
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I get weather-related headaches
I work from home
You should be able to get at least a partial tax deduction for the cost of the system - one for improvements to your business office (prorated for %age of the house is used for business), and another if you get get documentation that the A/C is a medical necessity.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Denver
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I have a relative with a swamp cooler and IMO, no, it absolutely does not work as well as central air. Sure, it's better than nothing but I've spent more than enough time there to know that I would not be comfortable living in my relative's house.

And unlike Indigo Cardinal, my paired house faces west, so it gets HOT in here in the afternoon and evening, even when the temps aren't as high as they have been the past couple of days. But the AC doesn't spend that much time on, because the house is so well insulated that once it's cooled off, it does a pretty good job of staying that way. I did finally get around to putting in a couple of ceiling fans (after 3.5 years here) and those esp. help amplify the benefit of the central air.
Mine keeps my house around 70-72 deg without issue and 66 at night. Oh, and my electric bill last month was $71.
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Not always ideal to install though the wall. Many people want roof installation and ducting in which case it is not cheaper to install, especially if you have a forced air heating system in the house already like many do.
Evaporative coolers are far less sensitive to positioning, ducting size, vent placement etc. You pressurize the whole house with cooled air and let the hot air leak out. AC systems have to be carefully spec'ed, installed and balanced, and can go out of whack if a window or door is left open.

I'm no foe of AC, not after living in 105-degree summers and 90-degree/90%RH (unbreaking for days) for a total of decades. But a relatively simple evap installation has been more than enough here, even being home all day and needing to work in comfortable conditions.
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:53 PM
 
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Not after a few hours.
Ew. I'm familiar with this IBB software at other boards, where you can edit your own posts much later - like years later, if need be. Boo on the setup here.
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:55 PM
 
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This has been a really informative thread for me. I am going to make some updates to my home and I'm definitely going with central AC. I've got ducts already for the forced-air heat, so it shouldn't be THAT big of a deal.

I have a window unit but it's not THAT great beyond use in a single room and my windows slide horizontally, so...

I moved here almost a decade ago, and my general feeling is that the summers have been getting worse. This year has been pretty bad. I get weather-related headaches, so I'm kind of living in constant fear of one hitting me, triggered by the heat. When you're in a house that's virtually a sauna, it becomes impossible to deal with. I work from home, so I'm around all day. And I think this summer heat is only going to get worse as the years pass - my friends who grew up here say it's definitely been a progression.

The whole swamp cooler idea is not appealing because they make things damp, ime.

So AC for sure. To me, the cost is worth it. This is my home, but it's also my work environment.
Sounds cool (pun intended). I'll take a wild guess that it will be $3-5K to convert your forced air heating system to combo heat and cool.

(There are slider/casement style AC units at about $500 each.)
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