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Old 07-19-2018, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Hello there everyone. I am seeking advice on moving to the Denver area. We are two lesbians, one mixed (black & Filipino) and one Haitian. We are in our mid 20s. We both have a more alternative look- tattoos, piercings etc. We are considering Denver or Portland. Maybe somewhere in California, but we know we cant afford that. We are both from Atlanta, we like the big city but we also like the quiet of the suburbs. One of the big reasons for the move other than needing to be somewhere new (we've both been in Ga all our lives), we want to be in a state that has legalized recreational marijuana. Therefore i have a few questions:

1. How bad is the racism in Denver? Between citizens and the police? We are coming from a highly populated black city so we are pretty comfortable here despite there still being racism in Atlanta. Will we be comfortable in Denver? Do the police target the colored?

2. Are there a lot of roaches? There's a lot in Atlanta, no matter what- should we still prepare for that?

3. Is it difficult to find housing that allows smoking inside or on the porch? What about allowing dogs? Or should we assume we can only use like vape pens in our apartment? Are there a lot of one to two bedroom apartments for rent?

4. What is the job market for personal trainers (especially ones starting out) and also for cda certified teachers (without a BA)?

5. Are there delivery options besides uber eats or grub hub but other starter delivering systems? Is there a demand for food delivery in the portland area?

6. Is it easy to make friends? I know the city is very nature centered, which isn't a problem for me. However for my girlfriend she doesn't care to be outdoors a lot. Are there good options for her; like a great music scene?

7. Anything else I should know?

Thank you to anyone who takes there time to answer this very long post haha
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Old 07-19-2018, 06:17 AM
 
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I'm from Atlanta, so I can help you on a couple of your questions.

1. How bad is the racism in Denver? Between citizens and the police? We are coming from a highly populated black city so we are pretty comfortable here despite there still being racism in Atlanta. Will we be comfortable in Denver? Do the police target the colored?

First, there aren't a lot of POC here. It's growing, but coming from Atlanta it takes some getting used to. Also, there is very little racism here. Race isn't an issue in politics or jobs or friendships or .... For example, Denver's mayor is black but the black population is only about 10%.

2. Are there a lot of roaches? There's a lot in Atlanta, no matter what- should we still prepare for that?

Nope. A lot less bugs in general!

6. Is it easy to make friends? I know the city is very nature centered, which isn't a problem for me. However for my girlfriend she doesn't care to be outdoors a lot. Are there good options for her; like a great music scene?

I think it's easy to make friends here once you find activities where they are. Basically, you aren't going to find friends at Starbucks. Music scene is growing, but very limited compared to Atlanta. Search online and see if you can find shows/events for what she likes. If it's Jam Bands like Widespread Panic she will be fine. Most people who live here like to look at the mountains, but rarely go there.

7. Anything else I should know?

Cost of living is crazy high compared to Atlanta. Rent is the first thing you notice, but it's everything. We have had a few friends from Atlanta move here and everyone of them is aware of the COL difference but shocked when it starts to hit their budget.

There isn't a gay scene like Atlanta. There are plenty of gay people, but it's very mellow.

Denver doesn't have violent crime like Atlanta. Generally, the whole city is pretty safe. What is a bad neighborhood here would be average in Atlanta.
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Old 07-19-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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Denver/Colorado is not diverse. Portland will be similar.

Regarding California, Denver and LA rents aren't that far apart.

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Old 07-19-2018, 09:49 AM
 
Location: The Berk in Denver, CO USA
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What is your housing budget?
What are your jobs interests?
Will you be comfortable being the only brown lesbian couple in the state? (Yes, I am exaggerating, but not by much.)
Are you aware that state law requires newcomers to buy a Subaru?
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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My take in red

1. How bad is the racism in Denver? Between citizens and the police? We are coming from a highly populated black city so we are pretty comfortable here despite there still being racism in Atlanta. Will we be comfortable in Denver? Do the police target the colored?

Denver is far less diverse than Eastern cities, esp. if you aren't counting Hispanic people. But in general, racism isn't a huge problem, nor is homophobia. People are pretty live and let live. As brown dog mentioned in terms of politics, Denver leans very Democratic and the fact that the heart of the Democratic base is black shows despite the small number of black people here.

2. Are there a lot of roaches? There's a lot in Atlanta, no matter what- should we still prepare for that?

I'm a Northeast transplant rather than a Southeast one, but still, way fewer bugs

3. Is it difficult to find housing that allows smoking inside or on the porch? What about allowing dogs? Or should we assume we can only use like vape pens in our apartment? Are there a lot of one to two bedroom apartments for rent?

It's illegal to smoke pot in public. I can't say whether that's truly enforced, but it is the law. Some apartments are non-smoking (meaning tobacco as well as pot) so you may face some limits. Depending on the area, you may also irritate your neighbors smoking outside, whether that's a problem is of course up to you

4. What is the job market for personal trainers (especially ones starting out) and also for cda certified teachers (without a BA)?

I don't know anything about personal trainers but for CDA certified non-BA teachers,
there are jobs but they pay around $11 or $12, maybe up to $15 per hour. Harder to get a job as a lead teacher without at least an Associates degree


5. Are there delivery options besides uber eats or grub hub but other starter delivering systems? Is there a demand for food delivery in the portland area?

LOTS of food delivery options from restaurants and also a lot of quasi-personal chef type places with either pre-assembled or ready to assemble meals. With food service experience, it's probably easier to try find a job with one of those companies or a traditional catering company, at least to start with, than it would be to try to get your own business off the ground with no contacts and no local references

6. Is it easy to make friends? I know the city is very nature centered, which isn't a problem for me. However for my girlfriend she doesn't care to be outdoors a lot. Are there good options for her; like a great music scene?

too much of YMMV to really answer but yes, there are enough options for someone who wants non-outdoor activities

7. Anything else I should know?

Cost of living, esp. housing, may be more than you are thinking it is
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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Hello there everyone. I am seeking advice on moving to the Denver area. We are two lesbians, one mixed (black & Filipino) and one Haitian. We are in our mid 20s. We both have a more alternative look- tattoos, piercings etc. We are considering Denver or Portland. Maybe somewhere in California, but we know we cant afford that. We are both from Atlanta, we like the big city but we also like the quiet of the suburbs. One of the big reasons for the move other than needing to be somewhere new (we've both been in Ga all our lives), we want to be in a state that has legalized recreational marijuana. Therefore i have a few questions:

1. How bad is the racism in Denver? Between citizens and the police? We are coming from a highly populated black city so we are pretty comfortable here despite there still being racism in Atlanta. Will we be comfortable in Denver? Do the police target the colored?

2. Are there a lot of roaches? There's a lot in Atlanta, no matter what- should we still prepare for that?

3. Is it difficult to find housing that allows smoking inside or on the porch? What about allowing dogs? Or should we assume we can only use like vape pens in our apartment? Are there a lot of one to two bedroom apartments for rent?

4. What is the job market for personal trainers (especially ones starting out) and also for cda certified teachers (without a BA)?

5. Are there delivery options besides uber eats or grub hub but other starter delivering systems? Is there a demand for food delivery in the portland area?

6. Is it easy to make friends? I know the city is very nature centered, which isn't a problem for me. However for my girlfriend she doesn't care to be outdoors a lot. Are there good options for her; like a great music scene?

7. Anything else I should know?

Thank you to anyone who takes there time to answer this very long post haha
1. Racism exists in Denver. I would like to think that it is probably better here than in the South but I've never lived there so I really don't know. Some areas of the metro are more racist than others. A recent study by the Denver Police indicated that there might be a bias in policing, but it appears to be something they are working on. You certainly don't see the kind of highly radicalized policing you do in some cities... But that probably has to do with the fact that Denver is VERY white. I have quite a few friends and family members who are black and they have a very hard time adjusting to the relative lack of a black community in Denver. Be prepared for that.

2. Denver has very few bugs due to low humidity and cold winters, there are outbreaks from time to time but they are relatively rare, you are much more likely to have problems with other types of pests if you have problems at all.

3. The rental market is tight and that allows landlords to be pretty picky about rules. It's certainly not impossible to find places that allow smoking by a long shot. My friends from the south have often remarked to me on how looked down on (tobacco) smoking is here compared to the south. Prepare for that habit to be a bit more stigmatized.

4. No idea about fitness but as an educator I can tell you that the market is pretty competitive. CDA is early childhood, right? There isn't a big market for that because the state doesn't provide universal preschool or full day kindergarten. Expect to get a job that pays around $12-15 either as a Pera or in before/after school care. You won't get a classroom teaching job without being "highly qualified."

5. There seems to be demand, I know a few people who have done this.

6. It depends on how social you are, just like everywhere. Transplants usually do tend to have trouble if they aren't outdoorsy since that is what draws the biggest number of people to the state. Of course if you are charismatic you won't have problems. There is definitely a local music scene as long as you are looking for rock music but it isn't as big and interwoven as somewhere like Portland might be.

7. Get ready for extreme culture shock, Denver is very much a Western city. People here are going to be very different than Atlanta in ways that are a bit esoteric to describe. Also be prepared for extremely low humidity, high altitude, and high cost of living. Learn to drive in the snow.
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:36 AM
 
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Maybe a bit off topic, but I know someone who moved here from Atlanta and she told me what she noticed first was that people "dressed" in Atlanta. Denver is super casual. Even the best restaurants will take you in your jeans. Maybe that was one of the things that someone referred to above as part of us being "western."
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:40 AM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Maybe a bit off topic, but I know someone who moved here from Atlanta and she told me what she noticed first was that people "dressed" in Atlanta. Denver is super casual. Even the best restaurants will take you in your jeans. Maybe that was one of the things that someone referred to above as part of us being "western."
I love the casualness of Colorado. I haven't wore a tie in a job since leaving California and these days I wear mostly T-shirts and non docker type pants to work. I feel I work better in casual dress.
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:46 AM
 
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Maybe a bit off topic, but I know someone who moved here from Atlanta and she told me what she noticed first was that people "dressed" in Atlanta. Denver is super casual. Even the best restaurants will take you in your jeans. Maybe that was one of the things that someone referred to above as part of us being "western."
Oh, that is absolutely part of what I was referring to. Colorado Casual/John Denver Formal can be a HUGE adjustment for some people. There is a lot more to "western/mountain culture" than that but as someone who has only lived in Colorado, Wyoming, and South Dakota it is hard for me to explain due to my cultural glasses.

It's a bit like porn... I can't explain it but know it when I see it.
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Old 07-19-2018, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Washington Park, Denver
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Regarding the music scene, we have one of the best music scenes in the country right now depending on your taste, but if you’re coming from Atlanta and in to hip hop, we can’t touch that.

We have a great local rock, bluegrass, jam band scenes. Blues rock is also very big.
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