I HATE this weather! (Denver: garage, pool, vacation)

[LBear]

That is one of my points. Who are we to believe?

A person who states that they recorded a low temperature of 3F using a Wal-Mart thermostat hanging out their window of their home.

OR

NOAA and the Denver weather stations that used precision instruments and scientific procedures that recorded a -18F and a wind chill temp of -25F to -50F just LAST YEAR in February 2007.

[Katiana]

Apparently you didn't read the text. Here is an excerpt, my two sentences allowed:

Most tornadoes in the United States form in an area called "Tornado Alley". This area includes parts of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Nebraska

The red area on the map is where tornadoes occur. There was one in Beaver County, Pennsylvania about 20 yrs ago on my birthday. That doesn't make Beaver County part of "Tornado Alley". I can remember one tornado in Denver in the 28 yrs I have lived here (it happened in the early 80s, I think 1981), and one touched down east of Boudler in about 1998. I also remember a tornado warning at one of my daughter's gymnastics meets about oh, 10 - 15 yrs ago. That is not a lot in 28 yrs.

PS: I looked at the map again, and there is a darker area inside the red, which is tornado alley. You can click on the map and enlarge it. It would be nice if you'd quit "yelling" at us, too.

[livecontent]

I really do not know the point with you LBear--the weather is the weather, accept it, live with it or do not accept it and live somewhere else. Where you will have to again accept that climate. It suite some; it does not suite others. That is why we have choice.

I have lived in the Denver Metro Area for almost 30 years and I have only heard of two tornadoes in the Metro area. Most of the metro area is not that threatening with Tornadoes and if it is--so what???? It has hail, so what??? it snows much, sometimes, so what??? it gets hot, sometimes, so what???

I grew up near Buffalo, NY--it snowed plenty but I did not leave because of the weather but because the city and area was in decay.

I do not worry about the weather . Why?? It is there. I live my life and go about my business.

You must spend your time watching every weather channel and have weather measuring devices all over your house. I bet you subscribe for every weather website on your desktop with instant alerts going to your cellphone, laptop and micro-chip in your head. Low pressure, high pressure, humidity, it is getting cold, it is getting hot, oh, oh, oh, You must be a joy to be around.

A tidbit of information for your obsessive, concern for extreme weather--The US Antarctic sites are managed here in Denver. They are always looking for strange people to work there--why not go down there and get your thrills at McMurdo Station. You can then blame the gods--"it is too cold here".

And if you are really lucky enough to go to remote camps, you must take survival training--learn how to built an icehut, and avoid ice fissures and climb yourself out of a crevice. What joy, what joy and you can take a thermometer and really have something to talk about, if you survive. "ya, know the temp was -65 F. degrees and the wind chill was..."

I spend time on the "Ice", a number of years ago and did the same, but I accepted it--I knew that there were no imaginary gods to blame, only Mother Nature, she is a our real god.

Livecontent

[McGowdog]

Poor Lbear! So he's into the weather. But Live brings up a good point for bear.

Maybe this is your knack. You say you're no geography expert, but with a passion for Meteorology, this could be a good place. We do have weather here. Very hard to predict. Are you good in front of a camera? Our weather casters here in Southern Colorado are turning over like crazy.

The only place in the greater 48 with that perfect mediterranean climate is SoCal. Look at that place. 13 Million plus. Hawai'i has a pretty nice climate too. 70's day and night season to season.

I like a change of seasons myself.

That's why I McGowdog! Hmmm. Doesn't quite have the right ring to it.

[sberdrow]

Originally Posted by livecontent

I really do not know the point with you LBear--the weather is the weather, accept it, live with it or do not accept it and live somewhere else. Where you will have to again accept that climate. It suite some; it does not suite others. That is why we have choice.

I have lived in the Denver Metro Area for almost 30 years and I have only heard of two tornadoes in the Metro area. Most of the metro area is not that threatening with Tornadoes and if it is--so what???? It has hail, so what??? it snows much, sometimes, so what??? it gets hot, sometimes, so what???

I grew up near Buffalo, NY--it snowed plenty but I did not leave because of the weather but because the city and area was in decay.

I do not worry about the weather . Why?? It is there. I live my life and go about my business.

You must spend your time watching every weather channel and have weather measuring devices all over your house. I bet you subscribe for every weather website on your desktop with instant alerts going to your cellphone, laptop and micro-chip in your head. Low pressure, high pressure, humidity, it is getting cold, it is getting hot, oh, oh, oh, You must be a joy to be around.

A tidbit of information for your obsessive, concern for extreme weather--The US Antarctic sites are managed here in Denver. They are always looking for strange people to work there--why not go down there and get your thrills at the McMurdo Station. You can then blame the gods--"it is too cold here".

And if you are really lucky enough to go to remote camps, you must take survival training--learn how to built an icehut, and avoid ice fissures and climb yourself out of a crevice. What joy, what joy and you can take a thermometer and really have something to talk about, if you survive. "ya, know the temp was -65 F. degrees and the wind chill was..."

I spend time on the "Ice", a number of years ago and did the same, but I accepted it--I knew that there were no imaginary gods to blame, only Mother Nature, she is a our real god.

Livecontent

why are you attacking Lbear. If I had read this post a year ago, I would have saved over 50K. Thats what it cost me to fix my mistake and "Live somewhere else" This and other threads like it are not really for those who LOVE the weather. Its for folks like me that want to hear a point of view from someone who is not trying to get my money, like a school district, or Realtor. I read all the anti posts on phoenix weather, and decided the pos out weight the neg. At least I could go somewhere and read the negs. Im glad you like the ICE.

Lbear, Phoenix is your place, we will see you when you get here. Bring some sun tan lotion and a swim suit.

Man there are all these foxy ladies here walking around in skimpy clothing...Im having such a tough time here

[MobyLL]

Originally Posted by sberdrow

why are you attacking Lbear. If I had read this post a year ago, I would have saved over 50K. Thats what it cost me to fix my mistake and "Live somewhere else"

Lbear, Phoenix is your place, we will see you when you get here. Bring some sun tan lotion and a swim suit.

Maybe Phoenix is not for LBear either, Phoenix gets tornadoes also - couple of maps showing F1 and F2 tornado locations in the Phoenix metro between 1950 and 2006:





From what i can determine, during that time 1950 - 2006 there have been 0 fatalities and 55 injuries due to tornadoes in the Phoenix metro area; during the same time period there have been 0 fatalities and 61 injuries due to tornadoes in the Denver metro area.

LBear, I hope I have saved you 50K by providing this info to you, if so please donate that sum in my name to the "Free McGowdog from the Unfair Application of DoubleSecret Probabtion Fund"... a truly worthy cause.

[sberdrow]

Originally Posted by MobyLL

Maybe Phoenix is not for LBear either, Phoenix gets tornadoes also - couple of maps showing F1 and F2 tornado locations in the Phoenix metro between 1950 and 2006:





From what i can determine, during that time 1950 - 2006 there have been 0 fatalities and 55 injuries due to tornadoes in the Phoenix metro area; during the same time period there have been 0 fatalities and 61 injuries due to tornadoes in the Denver metro area.

LBear, I hope I have saved you 50K by providing this info to you, if so please donate that sum in my name to the "Free McGowdog from the Unfair Application of DoubleSecret Probabtion Fund"... a truly worthy cause.

cool statistics, but I think I read that Phoenix is the safest major metropolitan area in the USA for Natural desasters. And as your stats prove,
6 more people are prone to injuries in a Tornadoe in Denver than in Phoenix.

[LBear]

Originally Posted by sberdrow

why are you attacking Lbear. If I had read this post a year ago, I would have saved over 50K. Thats what it cost me to fix my mistake and "Live somewhere else" This and other threads like it are not really for those who LOVE the weather. Its for folks like me that want to hear a point of view from someone who is not trying to get my money, like a school district, or Realtor. I read all the anti posts on phoenix weather, and decided the pos out weight the neg. At least I could go somewhere and read the negs. Im glad you like the ICE.

Thank you! I wish I knew the REAL STATS on Denver weather, not what people make-up along the way.
Like the false "300 days of sunshine" that is circulated by the corrupt Chamber of Commerce. The old "mild" winter statement. I lived in the mid west and Denver's weather is not "as bad" but I would say that Denver is MORE ERRATIC than the mid west weather. Denver gets some crazy extremes that make the midwest seem "calm".

Like the person who stated that the coldest it got was 3F. He swore that it never got that cold. That was a lie. It got to -18F in Feb 2007 and it was -25F to -50F with the wind chill. I provided a link to the Denver news report that showed it did get that cold.

People who like the area/weather make-up stats and play the area up. I learned the hard way, don't trust everything you read on these boards, a lot of it is false information and the people have a bias and agenda for the area.

I prefer heat 110F over Denver's -45F.

[jazzlover]

LBear and others,

I'm not sure what the point is here, anymore. Climatic "normals" for Denver, and umpteen other places can be found on Weatherbase . These are derived from NOAA-sanctioned weather stations. I've also found the folks up at the Colorado Climate Center more than helpful, and I have had personal conservations with the State Climatologist on several occasions. The NWS stations (of which Denver is one) have a lot of great information. It's all out there. All one has to do is to look.

Now, climatic "normals" are averages. Deviations from averages can be huge, especially in inland continental locales like Colorado. Thus, the climatologist's joke is especially true here: "Climate is what you expect; weather is what you get."

Extremes in weather are "normal" in Colorado. I've personally experienced temperatures in the state from 108 above to 55 below zero F. I've seen it go for three months without measurable precipitation at a time, and I've personally seen it rain almost 8" in one day (2/3 of the "normal" annual precipitation for that particular locale). Over the years, I've seen it get over 70 degrees in every month, and I've seen it snow in every month. I've seen it get over 90 for over a hundred days in a year in one place I lived in Colorado, and I've lived in one place where there were only 30 days in one year that had a low temperature above 30. I've seen summers when it rained so much that the plains looked like Ireland, and I've seen summers so dry that you couldn't find patch of green grass larger than a postage stamp on the same prairie.

I've seen a Colorado river that normally runs at about 1,000 cubic feet per second (cfs) run as high as 8,000 cfs and I've walked across the same river in irrigating boots and not gotten wet at less than 200 cfs. I've seen mountain snowpacks so low that 4-wire barbed wire fences only had the bottom two wires buried at the deepest, and been at the same place when the snow was so deep that snowmobilers were riding over the tops of cabin roofs and didn't even know it.

So, if you don't like variability, and you don't like extremes, and you don't like potentially violent weather on occasion, and you don't like unpredictability in the weather--then, by all means, DON'T LIVE HERE. Because that is what Colorado climate and weather is--variable, extreme, occasionally violent, and unpredictable. End of story.

[steveco.]

Agreed. Those pesky Rocky mountains just won't give us that mild climate!