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Old 11-05-2008, 09:50 AM
Location: Brooklyn
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NYC thanks you Colorado! The world thanks you!

Old 11-05-2008, 09:51 AM
Location: Colorado Spings
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Originally Posted by formercalifornian View Post
I think we're all capable of projecting our desires onto candidates and hearing only what we want to hear. I've watched supporters of both parties make idiotic statements. I've probably even made a few of my own. Fortunately, there wasn't a camera pointed at me.
I only posted the link about the voter for Obama because this was an Obama thread...not a McCain thread. Like I said, I didn't care for either candidate, but I chose who *I* thought was the lesser of two evils given my circumstances in life. To each his own. But, while both candidates have attracted the "eccentric" supporters, I personally feel as if I've seen far more fanatical followings of Obama, and heard many a voter say they were just voting for Obama based on skin color. I don't think skin color should play a role in anything, but we know better than to think everyone can take that out of the equation.
Old 11-05-2008, 10:04 AM
Location: 80904 West siiiiiide!
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Originally Posted by mpsgirl View Post
Even if he was in the top 1% of income earners, and assuming everyone paid a flat tax of say 20%, he'd STILL be paying his fair share of taxes....he'd be paying more than you probably make in a year. People seem to forget that the majority of the rich employ or provide products/services to the rest of this country. If their expenses go up, they're DEFINITELY not just going to eat it and cut their profit. They will pass that along in the way of higher priced goods/services, layoffs, fewer pay increases, etc. Everyone wants to crucify the rich, but everyone wants to make more money (ie. get richer)...and once they're at the top their opinion suddenly changes...

i think everyone already pays more than their fair share of taxes, especially in this state.
Old 11-05-2008, 10:07 AM
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After living in California and Maryland, I find Colorado taxes extremely affordable. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised at how much they dropped based on my previous experiences.
Old 11-05-2008, 10:07 AM
Location: Grand Junction, CO
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Originally Posted by nele View Post
During those two years, the Repubs will need to figure out how to get the moderates in their party back. I think they have left in disgust, unhappy with how the GOP has courted the religious right.

I believe the average American doesn't want to be told that women are "killing babies", that marriage is only for certain people, or that a fertilized egg is a person.

Let the Republicans focus on real issues like health care, financial oversights, alternative energy, and rebuilding our country's reputation. Let them separate themselves from religious leaders, and I expect that moderate Republicans will come back to their party.
Do you really think it was the moderates that left the party? The fact of the matter is that Bush became a liberal spend and spend some more guy, once he hit office. Does that sound like a hard right stance to you?

McCain was almost kicked out of the republican party just a couple of years ago, due to his stances on global warming, immigration, taxes/spending programs, antidrilling stances, and other democrat stands. Add in the socialistic nature of the bailout bill, and the fact that he voted for it, many more were pissed at him. In fact many in the republican party especially their base hate the guy.

The fact of the matter is that many of the supposed issues you list have nothing to do with why McCain lost his race, hell it would have been much worse if many of them could have stood the idea of Obama getting in, with his past voting history and stands on many issues, infact many who paid attention only voted to keep Obama out of office (which has been proven time after time does not work).

The fact of the matter is that most states in this country have continuously voted to ban gay marriage, outlaw immigration, and would love to have stricter regulations when it comes to abortions. The problem with McCain and the reason he lost was the fact that he did not stand with even moderate conservative on most issues, he was in fact far left from most of them, including me.Many in this country are still right leaning, they just know exactly who McCain si and many have long stood against many of his polocies. Obama had a huge advantage because not only did he have a much better speaking style and more charisma, but he was not from the party of Bush, and he had not supported a ton of bills that were gainst what many in his own party did not support.

For that matter free heath care has always been something people in this country have opposed, Obama and many of the democrat in the democrat controlled congress were the reason that financial oversite was ignored on the causes of this current mess, and never in the history of this country have the American people cared what the rest of the world thought of them or this country. After all the average american still believes that this is the greatest country in the world, so why wouldn't other countries have problems with us?

As for the alternative energy crap, why is it if so many people truly believe in alternative energy has it had such a hard time getting off the ground. The only time people have been truly willing to do anything towards alternative energy was when gas prices became such a problem this year. Which is the reason that Obama shifted his lifelong stance on drilling and coal production, he knew that people want real energy solutions, not some pie in the sky solution that has never been proven to work. Now to see if he actually stands by his campaign stances is going to be interesting. If he does what many in the oil and gas industry expect, which is attack the oil and coal industries this country is about to be in much worse condition. And even Obama admits that mush of what needs to be doen on the alternative energy fron is still research, with the hope that alternative energy may produce an ability to lower other needs by a total of 10% but that is 10 years away.

the fact of the matter is that regardless of the continual attacking of Palin, she is the only reason McCain got half of the votes he did.

At the end of the day Obama and his campaign of promises and misrepresenting who he really is can backfire long term on the Democrat party. The fact of the matter is that he ran on middle right ground throughout the majority of the last year, while making promises that he has shown no intention of keeping, yet people believed him. What happens when he tries to destroy the energy companies out there, socializes health care, raises taxes on the middle class, and the economy goes further down the drain? When he cannot produce what he has promised and in fact hurts the economy, and then runs into someone in a real debate who actually believes in the things that both Obama and Mccain tried to pretend they believed in, he will be destroyed, with 4 years of proof of what he believes.
Old 11-05-2008, 10:10 AM
Location: Bend, OR
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Originally Posted by themaster View Post
yep, mccain’s concession seemed kind of quick.. Hoping obama hits 380+ in electoral votes holding with my projection of a landslide..
whooooooot, whooooooootttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
Old 11-05-2008, 10:14 AM
Location: RSM
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Originally Posted by 2bindenver View Post
The could be the start of a whole new era of governance. Time will tell.

Do you think having the DNC here was influential in the election outcome?
influential in CO for sure. thats why they had it there. if it wasnt in CO it would have been in another swing state where they felt they had a moderate chance to flip it. better political engineering by the democratic party
Old 11-05-2008, 10:22 AM
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I'm very happy about the Bush era being over, but I'm a little concerned about the lack of critical skeptical attention given to Obama and his policies, or rather the notable lack of specificity in his policies (in stark contrast, I must say, to Hillary Clinton). Frankly, I'm unused to ANY politician being given such a "pass" from the public, which I think a healthy dose of skepticism on any politician's promises is a must.
Old 11-05-2008, 10:58 AM
Location: Northern Illinois
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I just myself am wary of what I personally see as a socialist president with both the Senate and House in his pocket.

The perceived lack of checks and balances is what concerns me.
Old 11-05-2008, 11:26 AM
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Blue, what has you convinced that Obama is a socialist? I hear that claim a lot, but I don't see it. Help me understand.
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