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Old 11-30-2008, 03:52 PM
 
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First of all the term ghetto is relative. I used to live in Southeast Denver near Hampden and Havana and people used to tell me all the time that I lived in "the ghetto." I personally didn't think it was ghetto at all, it was very suburban almost small town feeling. I think people in Denver equate areas with high minority populations as being "the ghetto."

Denver has no real ghettoes to speak of. Montbello is probably the worst part of Denver Metro, but it's waaaay out by the airport, practically in Kansas. It doesn't hold a candle to some of Milwaukee or Chicago's rougher neighborhoods I've experienced firsthand. Montbello is all newer, low-income apartment complexes overran with transplanted gang members from CA. The area around First and Federal is not great either, but I've gone to Chubby's after drinking at the bars all night and didn't fear for my life. At no point in the four plus years I lived in Denver did I ever feel unsafe. I lived near Colfax and Josephine for two years as well and Colfax is not ghetto at all compared to Fon Du Lac Ave in Milwaukee.

Denver's biggest problem I witnessed, that I never witnessed any place else, was the rampant prostitution all over the place. Colfax and Sheridan is Grand Central Station for whores. Cheesman Park is Ground Zero for gay rent-a-boys. Westword and Denver's craigslist are full of ads for "full service" escorts. Chicagoland is about 5 times larger than Denver Metro but their craigslist only has a fraction of the adult entertainment ads Denver's does. I know Denver pretty much owes it's whole existence to being the largest red light district west of the Mississippi, but apparently that's not a part of history they are willing to give up any time soon.

The shooting you speak of happened in Five Points at Cervante's on March 25, 2007 after a Slick Rick concert. The suspects were aprehended shortly afterwards. As far as I could tell from the Denver Post website, none of the victims died. Denver is no Detroit or Phoenix or New Orleans as far as crime goes.

Now, this was not such a bad post. It was somewhat balanced and made some good point about Denver not comparable to some other cities as in crime. I grew up in New York and I know from experience that Denver does not compare to the very bad areas that I have seen in my life.

"Colfax and Sheridan is Grand Central Station for whores"????? Well, that is the first I heard that statement about that area. Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong. I know from my long experience being at that area--that I never saw a "working woman" or man. I live north off of Sheridan and I have taken a bus often, at all hours, transferring on this corner and I never saw any indications; I have driven past there many times, again, day and night, and still never saw any solicitation---and I know what to see.

Years ago, it was much rougher. There use to be a boxing gym on the corner, a smelling old place with man with cigars managing young boxers--just like in the movies. There was "The Pig and Whistle Restaurant" a few blocks east, owned by a boxer and many boxers hung out at that place. At the same time, this same area had a stronger orthodox Jewish presence with a small deli and a place that smoked fish. The Jewish influence and the presence of many clinics associated with St. Anthony's Hospital did moderate some of the bad influences and I have walked to the hospital often. But again, even then I did not see any prostitutes but I suppose they where there because there were and still are some very cheap motels; East Colfax, at that time, was the big place for that activity.

Today, the area is much cleaner--the boxing gym is gone, Pig and Whistle is closed after Eddie Bohn, the boxer died. There are new buildings and business on the corner and Colfax, going to Lakewood West has gotten much nicer with new business and of course the influence of the new Walmart at Colfax and Wadsworth. Edgewater, just north has seen renewal. I suspect the area will go through big renewal because it is very close to the new station of the West Light Rail Line, that is the only rail that is under construction with Fastracks and Certainly with the redevelopment of the Hospital site, once St. Anthony's moves to Lakewood. The Orthodox Jewish Community is still there and will continue to have a positive influence.

That is my take on the area from experience of being around it for many years--it is not bad and relatively safe as most of Denver. I just wanted to add some historical prospective and to let you know about the future changes in the area.

Livecontent

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Old 11-30-2008, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Laguna Beach CA.
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Long time residents and Denver natives remember when this city was rough , and
could rival many of the nations mean streets...The neighborhoods were much more racially divided; being a victom of crime was much more common place...Today many of the once east side hoods have become less dangerous, while the once safe west side has a serious,growing gang problem...My father lives in an area that just four years ago was pretty stable...now gang homocides,graffiti,theft have started to take hold.....Most of the city is very safe, but the declining areas are doing so quickly....
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Old 11-30-2008, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I vote this the dumbest post of the year. Just because someone doesn't live within the city limits make them ineligible to comment on Denver.
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I vote this the dumbest post of the year thus far. You don't live in DTC/ south suburbs, you have no business commenting on DTC. Period, end of story.
Not sorry Steve, I have to raise my hand at that
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Old 12-01-2008, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Depends what your background is. Sorry to sound so simple, but if you are used to larger cities, you will feel relatively safe in Denver. Even in the so-called ghettos. If you are from a small town where people don't lock their doors at night, you will probably feel unsafe. Just as a side note, there is nowhere that is always safe. My grandparents live in a very small town near the Washington state/Idaho border. Everyone knows each other and it's the kind of place that people truly don't lock their doors at night or during the day. They have a rampant meth problem there and a very high teenage pregnancy rate. There is good and bad no matter where you look and having lived in Seattle, Spokane, Arizona, Tampa, Boston and Chicago, I call tell you that Denver feels safer to me than any of the places mentioned above. Mostly it's being proactive and taking precautions.
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:44 AM
 
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Now, this was not such a bad post. It was somewhat balanced and made some good point about Denver not comparable to some other cities as in crime. I grew up in New York and I know from experience that Denver does not compare to the very bad areas that I have seen in my life.

"Colfax and Sheridan is Grand Central Station for whores"????? Well, that is the first I heard that statement about that area. Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong. I know from my long experience being at that area--that I never saw a "working woman" or man. I live north off of Sheridan and I have taken a bus often, at all hours, transferring on this corner and I never saw any indications; I have driven past there many times, again, day and night, and still never saw any solicitation---and I know what to see.

Years ago, it was much rougher. There use to be a boxing gym on the corner, a smelling old place with man with cigars managing young boxers--just like in the movies. There was "The Pig and Whistle Restaurant" a few blocks east, owned by a boxer and many boxers hung out at that place. At the same time, this same area had a stronger orthodox Jewish presence with a small deli and a place that smoked fish. The Jewish influence and the presence of many clinics associated with St. Anthony's Hospital did moderate some of the bad influences and I have walked to the hospital often. But again, even then I did not see any prostitutes but I suppose they where there because there were and still are some very cheap motels; East Colfax, at that time, was the big place for that activity.

Today, the area is much cleaner--the boxing gym is gone, Pig and Whistle is closed after Eddie Bohn, the boxer died. There are new buildings and business on the corner and Colfax, going to Lakewood West has gotten much nicer with new business and of course the influence of the new Walmart at Colfax and Wadsworth. Edgewater, just north has seen renewal. I suspect the area will go through big renewal because it is very close to the new station of the West Light Rail Line, that is the only rail that is under construction with Fastracks and Certainly with the redevelopment of the Hospital site, once St. Anthony's moves to Lakewood. The Orthodox Jewish Community is still there and will continue to have a positive influence.

That is my take on the area from experience of being around it for many years--it is not bad and relatively safe as most of Denver. I just wanted to add some historical prospective and to let you know about the future changes in the area.

Livecontent

I was searching for some info relating to my old neighborhood, a few blocks from sheridan near colfax. I moved quite a few years ago, and it was a primarily Jewish area at one time, most of the homes tudors, the synagogue just a block from my home. This was, I'm sure much later than the pig and whistle as I've never heard of it or any boxers or gym. I lived in a strange little house; to do the laundry I needed to go outside and down the sidewalk to my garage. This side of the house flanked the end of the block and road, and behind that was a ravine with bikepath.

Now one afternoon, a little after noon, I took the laundry down, accompanied by my four year old daughter. Very clearly from the top of my stairstep off my kitchen 15 feet to the road on the side of my house, a woman was giving head to a man - I could not only see them, but this being a nice day, could very clearly hear them through the open car window.

I've not a lot of experience in this kind of thing, but he sure didn't look like he belonged in the neighborhood nor did his car, a little fancier than most. I, setting down my laundery so I could scoot my daugher back into the house behind me, stated very, "You need to move on." The woman all frazzly bright red hair and an abundance of makeup (sounds stereotypical, huh?) removed her mouth from his member allowing me a view of that as well, and told me I should try it sometime. I stepped in the house to call the police if they didn't leave, and they left very quickly.

I am quite certain this was a working woman, although I didn't ask to see her union card.

Also, once taking my daughter from my area up to the dairy queen near Edgewater had a gun drawn on me. No provacation what so ever. We were both going to go through the light across colfax, and I gunned the car, he gunned his to keep up while I slammed on my brake and made a sharp left right across the left turn lane. He was too committed speed and distance to turn, and I drove around back roads and streets and came home another way.

The third incedent that sticks in my mind was driving down 14th going west, stopped at the stoplight on Wadsworth. I saw a motion out of the corner of my eye and some guy was trying to get in my car! I somehow managed to slam down the lock (I had an older car, even for the times) and at the same time I gunned my car. He kicked it hard enough to dent the door. I looked in the rearview mirror to see him with his pants dropped and making obscene motions.

Oh, yes, I also had my garden hose cut, and only figured out why this year!! Car broken into twice, once because I left my dog's medicine on the seat and the other apparantly just for fun. The car was trashed, every window broken, dents, etc. My new car had an alarm sensor and automatic locks.
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Old 06-24-2011, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Hey everyone. From what I've read and talking to people that have lived there, I've heard it is pretty safe for a big city.

I did talk to someone today that said that Denver had a lot of ghettos like NYC (lol, am I wrong, b/c I really doubt that), and they went to a consert where someone got shot and killed.

Any insight or info would be awesome, as this person really freaked out my girlfriend...
On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 most safe) I'd rank Denver a 6 (I said 7 originally but think that's a little too generous). Overall its pretty good, but there is visible crime in different parts of the city including violent crime.

No, it does not have ghettos like NYC. But yes, people occassionally do get shot and killed for different reasons, mostly arguments that escalate or crimes-in-progress that get interrupted. Denver is part of the "West" and like most towns in the West, there is still lingering Old West "toughness", macho, rough-around-the-edges, and that sort of thing.

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Old 06-25-2011, 12:59 PM
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Location: Glendale Country Club
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Love Denver!! My personal experience with Denver has been very good. I was never afraid there...it's been 9 years since I moved. People are going to be fearful no matter where they live. Denver was no exception. Did hear about violence like you're talking about...those are isolated incidences. The media likes to run those in the ground.

I worked downtown for 5 years and was never afraid...even when my company parking spot was a couple blocks away. I wasn't afraid to walk at night, either. Worked near "The Wazee" in lower downtown as well as on 16th Street downtown. People would always raise their eyebrows when I told them I worked downtown...and then would say something very fear-based. Violence is going to happen...anywhere. I lived in SE Denver a couple miles from Cherry Creek S/C...and later learned that the particular location where I lived was considered somewhat high crime. HOWEVER...I owned my condo for 24 years and nothing ever happened to me...no robberies, no muggings, nothing. In summer, always left my patio door wide open...it was inside a gated patio area...made my condo a lot cooler during the day when I did that...and I was never afraid someone would break in. In fact, there have been a few breakins...as there will be in ANY neighborhood...and I think one rape...in 24 years. That is not a high crime rate at all. I also learned that in any neighborhood, past midnight and in the early morning hours...there is always questionable activity going on...even in some of the better neighborhoods. Denver is, I think, better than most large cities.

Lived in Denver for 27 years and nothing ever happened to me or to any of my friends, who lived all over the Denver area. I don't think or worry about that kind of thing...although hafta say that I do scope things out when walking downtown or after dark. Always lock my car no matter where I am, and always lock car doors when driving. Always. There are a few areas of Denver that I would not walk in after dark. Had activities going on in all areas of the Denver Metroplex and everything was always A-OK.

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Old 06-25-2011, 01:07 PM
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Location: Glendale Country Club
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I vote this the dumbest post of the year thus far. You don't live in DTC/ south suburbs, you have no business commenting on DTC. Period, end of story.
Personally? Gotta LOVE DTC area!!! That and Tamarac Square area are my old stomping grounds. (just not T-Rex...LOL!!)
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Old 07-24-2014, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Tennessee- for now
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Default Safe is relative.

My husband and I are moving to Denver next year when he finishes school if not sooner. His company has final say. I have been scouring boards, researching neighborhoods, and planning a trip out there to get a look around. I am concerned about finding a safe(er) neighborhood that will be convenient for my husband's commute as well as for my two teens. Having said all of that, I can tell you that I live near the city of Jackson, Tennessee. It's a small city, especially compared to Denver, and you'd expected it to be a sleepy little place and maybe it is when it comes to things to do and culture but it is not sleepy at all when it comes to crime. Violent crimes- property crimes- it is high on both, murders, rape, drug deals, car jackings,muggings; home invasions. I look forward to escaping the crime of Jackson, it literally is in the top ten for cities of its size for crime. Think the Tennessee country side is any better? I live less than an hour from a sleepy, tiny town called Parsons. Does that name niggle somewhere in the back of your mind? If you haven't heard of it for its rate of meth production, you likely have for the abduction of a nineteen year old nursing student named Holly. A bunch of red neck thugs kidnapped her and did who knows what before killing her. Safe is all relative.
As for me and my family, we are looking forward to Denver. We are looking forward to natural beauty, hiking, history, museums, art, music venues, restaurants, and yes, ironic as it may sound, less crime. I'm not stupid, I know you have crime but when you put Denver side by side with Jackson which is the nearest city to me, you guys look like saints so please, keep the info coming, I'm looking forward to finding a neighborhood and settling in.
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Old 07-24-2014, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Berkeley in Denver, CO USA
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concerned about finding a safe(er) neighborhood that will be convenient for my husband's commute as well as for my two teens
What is your house purchase budget?
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