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Old 01-11-2009, 03:04 PM
 
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When I'm outside I'm usually not lazing. And for the sake of my pocketbook and that of the world in which I live, I'm more than willing to be uncomfortable (although it's really not if you do it all the time) at 80 for a few hours than "comfortable" in a refrigerated room of 68-75. If you have to, run a ceiling or oscillating fan. It makes it feel 5 or 10 degrees cooler at a fraction of the cost.
With all due respect, the heat wave last summer was triple-digit for 21 days straight. We're not talking about a bit of discomfort; we're talking about life-threatening heat. And, fans aren't enough. Our house was in the mid-to-high 90's even with very active management on my part (e.g., opening and closing blinds & curtains, moving fans between windows, etc.). When the inside temperature dropped to a mere 80, we were in heaven. Look, I'm no wimp in the heat, but those three weeks were ridiculous and, frankly, dangerous. We need to do something more than we're doing, and I was looking for guidance about our options, not a lecture about toughening up.
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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With all due respect, the heat wave last summer was triple-digit for 21 days straight.
Max temperatures at DEN from 5/1/2008 through 9/30/2008. Not triple digit but in July it was a lot hotter than I would have thought.

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9/1/2008 86
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:21 PM
 
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Oh dear Lord, have you and LBear been hanging out? I get it, I exaggerated a bit about the ambient temps, but our house was still dangerously hot, and we have to do something to prevent a re-play of August 2008, when my family nearly became homicidal from the heat. We subsisted on crackers, cheese, and fruit for several weeks because doing any cooking at all was unimaginable. I do not need any lectures about toughening up or why a dry heat is more tolerable than humid heat (you know it's coming).
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Oh dear Lord, have you and LBear been hanging out? I get it, I exaggerated a bit about the ambient temps, but our house was still dangerously hot, and we have to do something to prevent a re-play of August 2008, when my family nearly became homicidal and subsisted on crackers, cheese, and fruit for several weeks because doing any cooking at all was unimaginable. I do not need any lectures about toughening up or why a dry heat is more tolerable than humid heat (you know it's coming).
If it were me, I'd get a nice central unit. I'd also get it sized a little bit higher than the neighbors are doing, especially if you have lots of east and west windows.

The best way to size an AC unit is using a Manual J calculation - quite complicated, I doubt if anyone does them.

Oversizing an AC is not a good idea in humid environments but in dry heat it shouldn't be a problem. Plant lots of trees on the east and west side of the house.
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Denver
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With all due respect, the heat wave last summer was triple-digit for 21 days straight. We're not talking about a bit of discomfort; we're talking about life-threatening heat. And, fans aren't enough. Our house was in the mid-to-high 90's even with very active management on my part (e.g., opening and closing blinds & curtains, moving fans between windows, etc.). When the inside temperature dropped to a mere 80, we were in heaven. Look, I'm no wimp in the heat, but those three weeks were ridiculous and, frankly, dangerous. We need to do something more than we're doing, and I was looking for guidance about our options, not a lecture about toughening up.
With all due respect, the thread is about AC in Colorado. I don't see how 21 really hot days in California (I'm assuming) is relevant. I too would certainly do whatever it takes to avoid life threatening heat - including turning on my AC. Then again, I don't think I'd ever choose to live in a place that was inhospitably hot.

Thanks for editing out the "keep it to yourself" part. I was lecturing/ranting in general. I didn't intend to direct it at anyone specifically.

I just sickens me when people are wasteful in any sense (don't take that as an accusation against you - I don't know you). It's everywhere in this country - we use over 25% of the world's energy. I've known people who set the thermostat to 70 and just leave it like for 4 straight months regardless of whether they're home, asleep, or if it's a similar temperature outside. If you visit older areas Denver like Capitol Hill you'll find very, very apartments have air conditioning (at least many homes without AC have basements). I was just trying to point out that it is very easy to get through Colorado summers with air conditioning - many do.
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:35 PM
 
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We have a fair number of large trees, but we also have a cathedral ceiling in a room with floor-to-ceiling windows on the eastern and southern walls. Our kitchen faces west, and although a very large ash tree shades the bay window, it still gets awfully hot in there. We will be replacing the windows at some point, but it's still probably a couple of years or so in the future.

In the meantime, we have discovered that the second story walls, which face west, are woefully short on insulation, making the kids' bedrooms nearly intolerable during a heat wave. In fact, they're not exactly comfortable in cold weather either. Re-insulating is definitely the priority, but it looks like it may be just the beginning of many projects.

@Raman: I wasn't talking about California. I live here in Colorado, and I was referring to last year's August heat wave in Denver. Charles rightly pointed out that it wasn't as hot as I implied, but it was still dangerous. I remember several days when my outdoor thermometer registered just a couple of degrees higher than my indoor thermometer.

You're welcome for the editing. I reacted harshly and re-thought my words after I posted. Hopefully, there's no harm done, and I do appreciate your earlier comments about your experience with a whole house fan. The reason I'm considering one is that I am trying to live a smaller footprint life, and I would like to avoid A/C if possible. The whole house/attic fan might allow me to do that, and I was looking for guidance from others who had gone that route.

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If you visit older areas Denver like Capitol Hill you'll find very, very [few] apartments have air conditioning (at least many homes without AC have basements)
I would like to point out that those apartments were built before the advent of air conditioning when the architecture and decorating trends (e.g., deep eaves and fabric-covered windows) reflected a need for natural heat management. Unfortunately, my house was built in the 70's when air conditioning was common and builders were falling in love with floor-to-ceiling windows in two-story living rooms, both of which make keeping a house comfortable very difficult in high summer without some sort of cooling system, even if you can afford the fabric to cover a ten-foot tall window.

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Old 01-11-2009, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Well, from your screen name I take it you're a guy; I'd guess you have a full time job in an air-conditioned office to which you repair 5 days a week. It's different staying home full time with little kids.
I am a guy.

I did not spend ANY of my summer last year in an air-conditioned building (well, excluding visits to friends, movie theaters, etc)

I don't have little kids, but my sister does. She doesn't have AC and they survive just fine.
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Old 01-11-2009, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Denver
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@Raman: I wasn't talking about California. I live here in Colorado, and I was referring to last year's August heat wave in Denver. Charles rightly pointed out that it wasn't as hot as I implied, but it was still dangerous. I remember several days when my outdoor thermometer registered just a couple of degrees higher than my indoor thermometer.
That stretch was awful - There were a few times I was tempted to turn on the AC. However, even during that run the hottest it ever got in my condo was about 86 (I was usually at home during the peak of the day too). I live on the 6th floor and have an TON of glass, and I can't think of why your house would have ever been any hotter than that. Houses usually do better at regulating heat than an apt (better insulation, basement, lower percentage of glass). If your indoor temperatures were in the 90s I'd say you have some other work to do beyond fixing your AC / installing a fan.
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Old 01-11-2009, 04:04 PM
 
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That stretch was awful - There were a few times I was tempted to turn on the AC. However, even during that run the hottest it ever got in my condo was about 86 (I was usually at home during the peak of the day too). I live on the 6th floor and have an TON of glass, and I can't think of why your house would have ever been any hotter than that. Houses usually do better at regulating heat than an apt (better insulation, basement, lower percentage of glass). If your indoor temperatures were in the 90s I'd say you have some other work to do beyond fixing your AC / installing a fan.
Yep! I'm in the market for a residential energy audit. BTW, how old is your condo? I suspect you may have more energy-efficient windows than I do.

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Old 01-11-2009, 04:07 PM
 
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Depends on the house. We ran our A/C for maybe two weeks last summer. Ambient temps would touch the upper 70s during the late afternoon and quickly drop into the lower 60s at night with fan assistance.

Windows open at night; closed during the day, shades in the sun closed during the day.
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