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Old 06-04-2010, 10:15 PM
 
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I know that both Farm and Piney Creek in SE Aurora are in Cherry Creek schools. But between them, which one has better schools? Why?
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Old 06-05-2010, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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I know that both Farm and Piney Creek in SE Aurora are in Cherry Creek schools. But between them, which one has better schools? Why?
You'll have to define what you mean by "better". I live in the Cherry Creek School District and have been VERY impressed with the quality of education that my kids are getting. There are some schools within CCSD that don't perform as "well" but those are in poorer neighborhoods without significant parental involvement. Both the Farm and Piney Creek are areas like mine...suburbia with middle-to-higher income families who are involved with their kids education. That's as much as you can ask of a school and after that, your kids educational experiences will be left to how they deal with different situations and who they make as friends. I would say you can't go wrong with either but, as with everything with kids, you can't just expect to "drop them off and hope for the best." If you're involved with their education and at least try to be involved with the school, your kids will do fine.
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Old 06-05-2010, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Cherry Creek Schools is an open enrollment district. As long as there is room available and you can provide the transportation for your child, your child can attend any school in the district. Piney Creek is zoned for Indian Ridge Elem., Laredo Middle, and Smoky Hill High. All are good schools. Indian Ridge is a year round school (it's the only elementary school for a huge neighborhood, so they have no choice).

Smoky Hill High School is a unique, award winning high school with an IB program that attracts many students who live outside of the school's boundary. The AP program is good too and usually taught by the same IB teachers. I graduated in '04 but I don't think much has changed. Top notch science programs (we won the state Science Bowl champs every single year I was there), extracurriculars, athletics (with the exception of football). Also, VERY diverse, a lot of students who are immigrants or first-generation Americans from eastern European & East & South Asian countries. It was common to hear at least 3 different languages every time I walked down the hallway. Very economically diverse too with students ranging from lower middle class to upper middle class backgrounds.

Grandview High School, where "The Farm" is zoned, is a high ranking school too, but no IB program, and the student population is basically 100% white, upper-middle class families, no diversity. The actual building is huge & modern, and the cafeteria area resembles a resort hotel, whereas Smoky Hill resembles a prison both on the inside & outside. Of course, you can't judge a book by its cover. I'm not familiar with the elem. & middle schools for "The Farm."
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Old 06-06-2010, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Aurora
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okay, grandview isn't really 100% white, it's 73% white, 9% black, 9% latino, 9% asian. (see greatschools.org). there is some economic diversity, but not as much as smoky hill high (11% are eligible for free/reduced price lunch vs 22% at smoky hill).

both elementary schools are year round because there's a big population there.

we live in the farm. we decided to pick another elementary school rather than fox hollow for our daughter, but not because there was something "wrong" specifically with fox hollow. we just didn't like it for our daughter. so we are schlepping her many miles away to another school (looking forward to a commute up I-25 every morning!).

it basically comes down to this: do you want a walk to school or not? if you don't mind driving, then just buy which house is best for you. if you really want your child to experience the "walk to school" experience, then you have to choose.
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Old 06-06-2010, 09:48 AM
 
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on a separate note, I'm not so impressed by the overall tenor of education here in colorado, and some of CCSD in particular. there is a zeal to teach to the test, a real push to test, test, test, that I think neglects the needs of students. of course, that's my humble opinion. it's a disease that's rampant in many school districts and states around the country, spurred on by NCLB.

off my soapbox now...
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Old 06-06-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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on a separate note, I'm not so impressed by the overall tenor of education here in colorado, and some of CCSD in particular. there is a zeal to teach to the test, a real push to test, test, test, that I think neglects the needs of students. of course, that's my humble opinion. it's a disease that's rampant in many school districts and states around the country, spurred on by NCLB.

off my soapbox now...
As you start to see more of a teacher's tenure tied to test scores, there will inevitably be more weight thrown at prepping kids for these tests. Not saying it's the right way to teach, it's just the reality of things faced by teachers today and in the near future.
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Old 06-06-2010, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I know that both Farm and Piney Creek in SE Aurora are in Cherry Creek schools. But between them, which one has better schools? Why?
Like others have stated above, it depends on your criteria for what's 'better'. One suggestion is to go to the CCSD website, print out the 3-page fact sheet for each of the schools, and compare them side by side.
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Old 06-06-2010, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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on a separate note, I'm not so impressed by the overall tenor of education here in colorado, and some of CCSD in particular. there is a zeal to teach to the test, a real push to test, test, test, that I think neglects the needs of students. of course, that's my humble opinion. it's a disease that's rampant in many school districts and states around the country, spurred on by NCLB.

off my soapbox now...
It's another example of the government interfering and trying to bring everyone up to the same level, which in turn hurts the students. There's not an easy answer as to why so many of the schools in poorer districts don't do well, but until the government allows teachers to actually TEACH and stop trying to get them to somehow meet the "markers", the educational system will continue to teach to the test and every once in a while, you'll get lucky and have your kids in a class with a teacher who truly is gifted and not only teaches what they need to know but gives them an actual education.

You hear the same complaints from nearly every state in the US...and yet our kids are getting dumber and poorly performing schools continue to perform poorly.

off my soapbox now....
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Old 06-06-2010, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Aurora
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As you start to see more of a teacher's tenure tied to test scores, there will inevitably be more weight thrown at prepping kids for these tests. Not saying it's the right way to teach, it's just the reality of things faced by teachers today and in the near future.

yep, and I don't blame the teachers at all. as parents, we need to stop expecting high test scores to equal the best neighborhoods. we are the government and we're making them do this. it's not a shorthand. if you want to find out which school is good for your kid, nothing like visiting different schools and districts.

I think if people actually spent time in classrooms they would be shocked. the teachers are great, we just need to stop tying their hands.
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Old 06-07-2010, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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yep, and I don't blame the teachers at all. as parents, we need to stop expecting high test scores to equal the best neighborhoods. we are the government and we're making them do this. it's not a shorthand. if you want to find out which school is good for your kid, nothing like visiting different schools and districts.

I think if people actually spent time in classrooms they would be shocked. the teachers are great, we just need to stop tying their hands.
For me, it is an eye opener. I have learned things from being involved in the classroom and PTCO that I had absolutely NO idea about.

What's sad for the teachers in poorly performing schools is that no one has the balls to blame the parents for their total lack of involvement in what their kids are doing and then the state/feds come into the school and blame the teachers because the kids are falling behind.

There ARE some bad teachers out there but the problem is the parents who don't give a crap...but no one will tell them to their face that it's THEIR fault if their kid can't read, it's THEIR fault if their kids are absent 60 days a year, it's THEIR fault if their kid gets knocked up their sophomore year.

Then, again...in this day and age of "it's not your fault if you maxed out your credit cards, it's the evil credit card companies who raised their rates" and "it's not your fault if your house is being foreclosed on, it's the evil banks who didn't explain to you that you can't get something for nothing", why should schools be any different? It's nothing but excuses for parents to use...they have to work long hours and they live in a community of low expectations, so the vicious cycle of poor education continues.
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