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Old 09-15-2010, 08:59 PM
 
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Actually maybe you should do your research. Most of the newer homes built between when Kwame was in office until now have been funded by people of Detoit. For example all those homes on Alter rd were funded by a woman from the westside. Who still resides in the city may I add

I'd be willing to bet that those houses are drywalled crap. They may be "new", but other than the novelty of being built as a result of the very few building permits pulled in Detroit in a long time, they're hardly noteworthy accomplishments like the houses built in the 20's.
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Old 09-15-2010, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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I'd be willing to bet that those houses are drywalled crap. They may be "new", but other than the novelty of being built as a result of the very few building permits pulled in Detroit in a long time, they're hardly noteworthy accomplishments like the houses built in the 20's.

I agree with this as well. Why would anyone want to buy a new house in Detroit when there is a wealth of low cost older homes with loads of character. A 100 year old bungalow or victorian with all the charm that comes with it is worth 2 cheap throw together houses. The old home may need updates but once it is fixed it will be far superior to the new one. The one thing Detroit has to offer is historic buildings and homes. If you were going to live there why not take advantage of what is there? The last time I was down there I saw lots of large old stately homes empty and abandoned. Some of them are beyond the possiblity of repair, but many could still be something. The fact that some of them have been abandoned all these years yet still stand is a testiment to how well they are built. No modern home could stand after decades of neglect like these old houses have.
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Old 09-15-2010, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Downtown Detroit
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I'd be willing to bet that those houses are drywalled crap. They may be "new", but other than the novelty of being built as a result of the very few building permits pulled in Detroit in a long time, they're hardly noteworthy accomplishments like the houses built in the 20's.
Hahaha. Like any of the houses built anywhere in the last 50 years are anything but "drywalled crap." All those stupid (mostly vacant) McMansions built in the outer suburbs for the past 2 decades are made by the cheapest bidder with the cheapest materials. New construction has no quality and no character. You think any house built today has custom stained glass windows and hand carved wood? The best housing stock we have is in Detroit and the inner-ring suburbs that the people of this region threw out like trash when they overpaid for cookie-cutter homes in butt ugly subdivisions with no sidewalks.

The fact that you try to undermine any development in Detroit for whatever reason you can find is laughable. Seriously, what a joke.
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Old 09-15-2010, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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Hmmmmm...because I lived there? Ever lived in Daytona Beach? I even go on the Madison WI board and post, as well as the Boulder CO board. I have posted on WV and OH too. I have even posted on the NM board. Has C-D made residency a requirement for posting on a board?


With family in the city and area, I think I just give them a voice. Don't hate the player--hate the reality of the game...Don't be hatin cause someone posts a news article--after all if it bleeds it leads...and Detroit has some great headlines.
I highly doubt you have. Smh you are also one of those posters who sole purpose is to talk down about Detroit. Um yea, that why I mentioned DB
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Old 09-15-2010, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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^^^but yet most suburban neighbors are built with the same cheap drywall smh

so if no one builds you all complain but if someone, local person, uses their own funds to built you all complain too

can't win for loosing smh
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Old 09-16-2010, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Home!
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I haven't spent my entire life in Detroit. I moved here and it was a huge culture shock. I have never been in a city so preoccupied by race and "where you live" (as if it defines a person). I've only recently had the sense that this was "home". The Metro area is definitely different than other places that I have lived.

There are a lot of good things about the area; however, it's easy to see past them when the prevailing attitude is hate and distrust. I think that people who are asking questions on CD are asking for honest impressions of the area. Detroit is in a tough spot right now. There are good people in the city working for its betterment; however, there is also trash on the roadways and burned out buildings. I'm not going to lie and say that all is "sweetness and light" when it's not.
I have to agree with this post. Except it is the other way around for me. I have experienced the "preoccupation" with race and such my whole life here in MI. When I was looking for a house in Las Vegas, I was shocked to see all the diverse neighborhoods and people didn't think anything of it.

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I'd be willing to bet that those houses are drywalled crap. They may be "new", but other than the novelty of being built as a result of the very few building permits pulled in Detroit in a long time, they're hardly noteworthy accomplishments like the houses built in the 20's.
or the architectural buildings there were built in Detroit when it was thriving. If they could just either fix up what is there or implode them, it would look better and it would take away the media's need to highlight it.

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and if he were to think that way he would be an idiot too. In order for the rest of the city to get back on track we HAVE to have a good downtown, midtown, financial district etc. We have to have businesses to attract people to the city in order to have stable housing. If there are no jobs within the city limits people will continue to leave. We have to get that in order along with education (which by the way is improving....slowly but surely) FIRST. Of course the homes are going to fall apart if no one is staying in them. The city has really on made continuous strides to improve the city within the last couple of yrs. We have to be patient and become a part of the solution instead of the problem.
This is a Catch-22. Could go either way. For business owners to want to come and build there they need to feel comfortable opening and operating a business there and they have to feel that people will come and do business at their business. In order for people to come and do business there, they must feel comfortable going there. And if they are going to create new jobs for the people, then the people want to live in the city and there has to be certain criteria for that. Good education is one. Safety is another. How about good city services? You want your road plowed, your trash picked up and an ambulance or cop to come in a timely manner. A sense of community would be nice.

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What is your purpose of coming on here? I'm just very interested in why so many have joined C-D ONLY to talk bad about Detroit? Half of the people on here have never even been so what is your purpose?. Same goes for suburbanites? why do you come on here if its only to down Detroit? I mean I don't particularly like Daytona Beach BUT you won't catch me on their forum simply to talk bad about it.
Many have answered what their purpose for coming on here was. You just didn't like it. But it is their reason and that is what you asked. I come here because I lived in MI my whole life and it is of interest to me and frankly, because I want to. I think that many people find CD for one reason or another (could be politics, religion, animals...and those forums are UGLY...way worse than this one) and then see an interesting thread and there you have it....I don't agree with the extreme bashing, but c'mon, it is a computer forum, people can type what they want, be who they are not and not be afraid of anything more than a typewritten repercussion. It's easy.

Like it or not, suburbanites can have an interest in Detroit. It is not like it is a million miles away. And many times it can affect them. Maybe they work there, maybe they want to move there, maybe they still have family there or did at one time. Maybe it is just to see that one day there will be more positive here than negative. And Detroit really does need them. They are the ones going to the games, buying the souvenirs, the season tickets, going to the camper shows, the dog shows, Greektown and such. Detroit needs that money and the Detroiters that diss that are nuts, because they are turning a blind eye to the fact that they need the help. They should welcome it. Because they are the ones walking away from a good time there and telling others who probably have a media's eyeview of the city.

I don't blame you for defending your hometown, but you simply cannot deny many of these folks truths because it was their hometown too. They feel the pain. They want to see it prosper again. Quite possibly your choice of venue for defending Detroit (CD) is a poor one and you should be out there with the masses or pounding on the officials doors with your ideas and positive attitude. Most importantly, with your dedication, devotion and love for a city that once was, your voice could help to bring it to the city it can be again.
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Old 09-16-2010, 04:32 AM
 
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^^^but yet most suburban neighbors are built with the same cheap drywall smh
But we're not pointing out how great the suburbs are and using the notable architecture and quality building techniques from the 1920's as an example. But, since you brought it up, let's look at how the suburbs use their old "gems". The Fordson High School building in Dearborn vs. the Cass Tech building in Detroit. Fordson has been beautifully maintained and Cass has been abandonned for a new glass and steel version. Why? To spread around the construction contracts maybe?

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Hahaha. Like any of the houses built anywhere in the last 50 years are anything but "drywalled crap." All those stupid (mostly vacant) McMansions built in the outer suburbs for the past 2 decades are made by the cheapest bidder with the cheapest materials. New construction has no quality and no character. You think any house built today has custom stained glass windows and hand carved wood? The best housing stock we have is in Detroit and the inner-ring suburbs that the people of this region threw out like trash when they overpaid for cookie-cutter homes in butt ugly subdivisions with no sidewalks.
You're missing my point. See above. The suburbs are better places to raise a family compared to Detroit because of relatively low crime, better educational opportunities for children and public administration and services that deliver what they're supposed to. What has Detroit done in those areas in the last 40 years? They've spread around the construction contracts and built a few nice-looking new high schools like Cass and Renaissance. Would you want to move to Detroit because the educational opportunties are better there for your kids?

In other words, Detroit, what have you done for me lately in quality of life issues? Casino's? Entertainment? That stuff is to bring people in from the suburbs to spend their money, not to attract people to Detroit to raise a family.

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Old 09-16-2010, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Here.
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Why would anyone want to buy a new house in Detroit when there is a wealth of low cost older homes with loads of character.
Because most of those homes with loads of character are not much cheaper than a new one or would cost too much to maintain/restore. Most homes in Detroit were not very well-built and certainly not well insulated. They were built during boom times to accommodate the rapid inflows of factory workers. Most people are not as interested in architectural details as they are in modernity and roominess. I think it is great that there are new low-cost homes being built to replace the old low-cost homes. Some of these homes might end up being trashed anyway, so it is better if they are cheaply built. Kind of like a "disposable" home. If they are being rented out, the landlords may be looking for short-term returns as opposed to long-lasting value.

This is not to deny that Detroit has many beautiful quality-built old homes, but if you take a comprehensive look at the entire city, they represent a small percent.
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Old 09-16-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Michissippi
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Same goes for suburbanites? why do you come on here if its only to down Detroit?
Obviously, metro Detroit suburbanites have a legitimate interest in what happens in Detroit. National perceptions of the Detroit metro area itself are very much connected to people's perceptions of the city proper, which affects the entire region's (and state's) economy. Many suburbanites go downtown for sporting events, the casinos, to work, business purposes, or even for higher education (Wayne State). Also, high crime and poverty in Detroit can spill out into the suburbs.

Actually, anyone who lives in the State of Michigan has an interest in what goes on in Detroit since people pay tax dollars to the state that often go to support the City of Detroit or people who live in Detroit (welfare, Medicaid, care for crack babies, public schools, etc.).

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Old 09-16-2010, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Downtown Detroit
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Obviously, metro Detroit suburbanites have a legitimate interest in what happens in Detroit. National perceptions of the Detroit metro area itself are very much connected to people's perceptions of the city proper, which affects the entire region's (and state's) economy. Many suburbanites go downtown for sporting events, the casinos, to work, business purposes, or even for higher education (Wayne State). Also, high crime and poverty in Detroit can spill out into the suburbs.

Actually, anyone who lives in the State of Michigan has an interest in what goes on in Detroit since people pay tax dollars to the state that often go to support the City of Detroit or people who live in Detroit (welfare, Medicaid, care for crack babies, public schools, etc.).
Then why do so many suburbanites (and I'm generalizing) spend so little time actively helping to improve Detroit? If Metro Detroiters spent as much time engaged in building Detroit back up as they do complaining about it from the sidelines, it wouldn't take as long as people think. Everyone stands around Detroit like a car wreck and points fingers at it without helping the passengers or putting out the fire. Instead of trying to find someone or something to blame for Detroit's decline, go do something to help make it stop. *Now, I'll sit and wait for the opposite to happen right here on this board.*
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