Segregated Detroit (Roseville, Holly, Grosse Pointe: credit, real estate, property taxes)

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

While you can't stand it there are many more that love it that way, including me.

The majority of America scoffs at this exact thing, and finds it laughably archaic. Way to make MI look stuck in 1852.

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by jeffncandace

The majority of America scoffs at this exact thing, and finds it laughably archaic. Way to make MI look stuck in 1852.

Not true. Not at all. And you know it.

Many many people want to live in neighborhoods made up with people like them. Whites do it, blacks do it, Hispanics do it... we have a natural tendency to want to be around people of our own kind.

The majority of America may scoff at it if under pressure or put on the spot - and only to be politically correct. However, when they go to buy their house they are looking for a neighborhood of people the same skin color. They are looking to send their kids to schools that are most white (if they are white themselves). Gasp!

It's not just Michigan, although it's more so there. All the major cities have pockets of different races in them. It's no different. And like I said, you may not like it and may scoff at it. But the suburbs (in most major city areas) aren't all white because it just happens to be that way. People like it that way, no matter how archaeic it may seem to you.

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Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

Not true. Not at all. And you know it.

Many many people want to live in neighborhoods made up with people like them. Whites do it, blacks do it, Hispanics do it... we have a natural tendency to want to be around people of our own kind.

The majority of America may scoff at it if under pressure or put on the spot - and only to be politically correct. However, when they go to buy their house they are looking for a neighborhood of people the same skin color. They are looking to send their kids to schools that are most white (if they are white themselves). Gasp!

It's not just Michigan, although it's more so there. All the major cities have pockets of different races in them. It's no different. And like I said, you may not like it and may scoff at it. But the suburbs (in most major city areas) aren't all white because it just happens to be that way. People like it that way, no matter how archaeic it may seem to you.

No, the suburbs aren't majority because it just happened that way.
You know as well as anyone that blacks that were financially and educationally qualified to live in any suburb was refused a mortgage if they stated they wanted a home outside Detroit.
Banks redlined, insurance companies would not insure certain people's property if that property was to be located outside the city. Real estate agents steered particular races to particular areas in an effort to establish and maintain segregation.

You may like living around only whites, fine, but please stop acting like this whole f#cked up situation in se mi was some sort of racial evolution, it was manufactored and maintained by people who were/are racist and the people smart enough to capitalize on their fears.
As much as you seek white utopia, it will never happen. Too many other races have worked as hard if not harder than you and your family to get ahead and they like myself could care less if you did not want them around because they are darker than you.

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

Not true. Not at all. And you know it.

Many many people want to live in neighborhoods made up with people like them. Whites do it, blacks do it, Hispanics do it... we have a natural tendency to want to be around people of our own kind.

The majority of America may scoff at it if under pressure or put on the spot - and only to be politically correct. However, when they go to buy their house they are looking for a neighborhood of people the same skin color. They are looking to send their kids to schools that are most white (if they are white themselves). Gasp!

It's not just Michigan, although it's more so there. All the major cities have pockets of different races in them. It's no different. And like I said, you may not like it and may scoff at it. But the suburbs (in most major city areas) aren't all white because it just happens to be that way. People like it that way, no matter how archaeic it may seem to you.

Well, RWF, you think I see what I want, and I KNOW that you do.

It's sad that you so firmly believe what you do. Not to you, of course, but it is. And totally not indicative of anything but your own personal issues and agendas, contrary to what you are claiming.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to live amongst familiarity. But to claim, as you do, that we all have a secret love affair with racism, is just laughable. Too bad for you the 1950's are not over. We are all moving on, and you can stick to your guns for as long as you need to.

Expect, after time, to feel lonely in your position, except for those of (closed) like minds.

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You know as well as anyone that blacks that were financially and educationally qualified to live in any suburb was refused a mortgage if they stated they wanted a home outside Detroit.
Banks redlined, insurance companies would not insure certain people's property if that property was to be located outside the city. Real estate agents steered particular races to particular areas in an effort to establish and maintain segregation.

Blacks have to be educationally qualified to live in the suburbs? Who administers the tests???

And how long has it been since blacks were able to move anywhere they can afford to move? Are you saying stingy banks, red lining and racist real estate agents have been responsible for a black person who can qualify financially to live in the suburbs being kept OUT of the suburbs in the last 30 years?

How come you never see the Huxtables' neighbors?? Are they like Archie, George or fellow Huxtables?

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Originally Posted by and the

Blacks have to be educationally qualified to live in the suburbs? Who administers the tests???

And how long has it been since blacks were able to move anywhere they can afford to move? Are you saying stingy banks, red lining and racist real estate agents have been responsible for a black person who can qualify financially to live in the suburbs being kept OUT of the suburbs in the last 30 years?

How come you never see the Huxtables' neighbors?? Are they like Archie, George or fellow Huxtables?

Sometimes people seem to fall into a category of "I need the dots connected for me" or they seem to be trolling for controversy. I don't really know where this one is headed.
I'll clarify for those who need clarification let me explain.

If I want to live in an area where the homes cost $1,000,000.00 and I have a high school diploma and my job reflects my educational level and therefore my income level, no bank is going to approve that mortgage based on my income.

If I have a masters or PhD and therefore am employed at a level consummate with my education and make the same general salary as the area requires than that in part should help in the approval process as a general rule.

Even if the requirements were met to meet the mortgage approval many were turned away because of race.

I won't use tv characters as examples, they aren't real.
If you believe I've said anything that's inaccurate or not true, so be it.

You want to imply that the reality of many people did not exist, unless you are totally ignorant of these practices then you are disrespecting many people by saying that what they experienced were figments of their imagination.

One more thing Fox2 or wdiv reported about 3 months ago of a real estate company in the Grosse Pointes that were purposely steering blacks away from predominately white area into predominately black areas. When the evidence was presented to the real estate company they asked the reporters to leave and refused to answer any questions.
More or less these practises still exist today.
Because you may not have experienced them dosen't mean they don't happen.

Racial Steering? Black Family Says They Were Kept Out of Gross Pointe

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I read the story. Didn't see many facts, just allegations. The people said they were looking at a particular area specifically for the schools. The agent suggested bigger houses with lower taxes that fit the criteria the client specified, ie the same school district. Sounds reasonable to me. If they steered them away by race, why would they steer them to the school district that is responsible for the high property values in the Pointes? Aren't black people just as undesirable in school with your kids as they are next door if you're a racist Pointer/Steerer?

As far as your education and your mortgage, I don't recall filling out a space on a form for my educational level the last time I refinanced. They looked at my credit score, did a home inspection and that was about it. Same goes for the original mortgage.

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Originally Posted by and the

I read the story. Didn't see many facts, just allegations. The people said they were looking at a particular area specifically for the schools. The agent suggested bigger houses with lower taxes that fit the criteria the client specified, ie the same school district. Sounds reasonable to me. If they steered them away by race, why would they steer them to the school district that is responsible for the high property values in the Pointes? Aren't black people just as undesirable in school with your kids as they are next door if you're a racist Pointer/Steerer?

As far as your education and your mortgage, I don't recall filling out a space on a form for my educational level the last time I refinanced. They looked at my credit score, did a home inspection and that was about it. Same goes for the original mortgage.

Troll along.

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by jeffncandace

There's nothing wrong with wanting to live amongst familiarity..

Exactly, that's my point.

Originally Posted by jeffncandace

We are all moving on, and you can stick to your guns for as long as you need to.
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If that were true this conversation wouldn't be taking place. The issue would be moot. It's constantly coming up because most people are not moving on. Liberals would just like you to believe they are. Race issues across the country are very much alive.

Also, I don't have a problem with people trying to keep certain types of people out of their neighborhood (whether it's pedophiles, blacks, whites, Muslims, etc.). Trust me, there are black neighborhoods that equally don't want white people moving in and will try to get them not to. It goes both ways.

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

If that were true this conversation wouldn't be taking place. The issue would be moot. It's constantly coming up because most people are not moving on. Liberals would just like you to believe they are. Race issues across the country are very much alive.

Duh. I agree that this conversation stands as proof that idiocy is still alive and well amongst those who prefer white pointy hats.

But racists such as yourself would like to believe that you are the majority. You are not. Your beliefs are scoffed at by all forward thinking people. Which is why I say, while racism will never die completely (thanks to folks such as yourself teaching innocent children to hate skin color ), it is shrinking considerably. You can get as condescending and superior as you feel the need to do in your response--but it won't change reality.