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Old 01-25-2011, 12:39 PM
 
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At least downtown is better off than 10 years ago.
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Old 01-25-2011, 04:09 PM
 
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Its turned around in the areas that shouldnt be turned around from what I read. I'm new to the city and have been reading non-stop on history, where to live, crimes, business. As a tax preparer I see people's w-2s and it seems to me the only reason the southside is not like most of the run down is because of immigration. Mexican-Town has a strong economy and attracts a lot of tourism. However I dont think Detroit wants the stigma of being an illegal town so they dont talk about it much. Only bad thing about Mexican-Town is most of the people are seasonal workers who go home in Mexico every winter so they dont take much care of their homes, even though their not burned down like so many others, they dont take pride as home owners I guess they see themselves as temporary residents.
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:14 PM
 
Location: north of Windsor, ON
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Of all 139 square miles of the city, only ten or so are experiencing any meaningful turnaround. The other 129 are either the slums they have been for as long as anyone can remember or they are actively getting worse, and bringing down some suburban areas along with it.

The question was asked, "Why are outsiders more interested in Detroit's rebirth?" Here's why. They don't know how much is actually involved in fixing it. They don't know that the average metro Detroiter doesn't care what happens within the Detroit city limits, as long as it doesn't spill outside the city limits. To the average suburbanite, the city is usable for little more than sporting events downtown, the auto show (haven't been in three years now), casinos, good Mexican food, and where you go to buy dope. Outsiders don't realize that living in much of Detroit requires almost literally bolting down your car to the ground when you go to bed at night, among other things. Detroit shares more in common with Johannesburg than much of America.
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Michissippi
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From some of the comments on this site, I've come to the conclusion that non Michiganders are more into being apart of Detroit future and possible "turnaround" than most Metro Detroiters.
What does that tell you? Is it possible that Metro Detroiters have a much more intimate understanding of the city's issues and problems and the kind of massive investment and social engineering that would be required for a Detroit turnaround than "blue skies" optimistic outsiders who have never set foot in Michigan?

Perhaps people who are more familiar with the situation recognize that it is a practically hopeless task?
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Downtown Detroit
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Perhaps people who are more familiar with the situation recognize that it is a practically hopeless task?
If we don't have hope, then we've already lost.
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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I think that's probably a fallacy. There are people in Detroit who I'm sure couldn't care less about the condition of their city. And then there are those who make up for it with the way they care and then some.
this is kind of off topic. I'm talking about suburbanites compared to non Michiganders only
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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I think older Metro Detroiters look at the city and become disenfranchised because they remember what Detroit was and how far it has fallen. To them, Detroit is like a kind of "paradise lost" that once was but never will be again. Those who have loved Detroit and lost are very pessimistic about Detroit's future. They believe that because they couldn't save the city, nobody can.

Outsiders don't have that institutional memory that leads to preconceived notions. They may even be attracted to the city's indelible grittiness. They don't share in our city-suburb animosity nor do they view the region as fragmented. To them there is no distinction between Detroit and Oakland County. It's all just "Detroit."

Outsiders and younger Metro Detroiters look at the city and see opportunity. We are aware of the city's history, it's reputation, and former glory, but we don't have that cynicism caused by Detroit's fast rise and sharp fall. To newcomers, Detroit is what it is. We tend to focus on the assets that are still intact and what can be built up around them. Outsiders bring fresh perspectives and ideas that have worked elsewhere and apply them where strategies have been stagnant.

To answer your quetion, I think many Metro Detoiters have been convinced that the city will continue its decline and they either want such perspective vindicated or are unable to suspend their disbelief long enough to see the positive progress that is already going on. They tend to write off new developments as minuscule or a waste. But, whether some people acknowledge it or not, Detroit really is getting better by the day. Almost daily there is a new businesses locating in the city, a building being renovated, or some positive news story coming out of the city. If you tracked these occurrences on a line graph I think you'd see that they are steadily increasing in number as time goes on.

In any event, Detroit is on the mends and will continue to improve despite the cynical outlook of many. Outsiders and younger Metro Detroiters are key to making that happen. However, if the older folks or those that have been burned by Detroit in the past can find a way to put all that that behind them and work with us or even just root for us, it would combine the old with the new and we could build this city back as a team. How beautiful would that be?

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Beautiful post, ForStarters. I tried to rep you but C-D won't let me. Consider yourself repped.
agree with Canudigit and also can't give you rep points
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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What I see is a lot of Detroiters moving out of the city. That is a good indication that it's not a good place to live.

I think the reason a lot of out-of-towners want to move to Detroit is because they read posts by ForStarters describing the "rebirth" of downtown and midtown and they assume he is talking about the whole city.
for the umpteenth time lol stop believing that all Detroiters that have relocated did so because they just hate it. There are many people who have moved, especially since the recession, for one reason........JOBS!
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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It's not just Detroit, it's michigan in general were you see a lot of people moving out of the state. This is the only state out of 49 that has lost population.
thank you! why do other MI people fail to see this. They think because some Detroiters have moved the burbs that's the only "relocating" going on. Not even. MI has lost plenty of people. Most Detroiters I know personally who talk about "getting out of here" here is usually MICHIGAN as a whole. the "its nothing in MI" is common among Detroiters and suburbanites. Some of the people who were interns with me, white and black, suburbanite and city people, all were so ready to graduate to move out west or down south
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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At least downtown is better off than 10 years ago.
this is one of main keys to turning around the city. Areas outside of downtown have been improved and some have future plans. Things will not turn around in a day and with negative people outweighing the positive
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