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Old 01-26-2011, 04:56 AM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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Its turned around in the areas that shouldnt be turned around from what I read. I'm new to the city and have been reading non-stop on history, where to live, crimes, business. As a tax preparer I see people's w-2s and it seems to me the only reason the southside is not like most of the run down is because of immigration. Mexican-Town has a strong economy and attracts a lot of tourism. However I dont think Detroit wants the stigma of being an illegal town so they dont talk about it much. Only bad thing about Mexican-Town is most of the people are seasonal workers who go home in Mexico every winter so they dont take much care of their homes, even though their not burned down like so many others, they dont take pride as home owners I guess they see themselves as temporary residents.
this whole southwest not being as run down as other parts of the city is a fallacy IMO. I think the least blighted side of town is the westside, followed by SW, then the eastside then northend. Outside of "mexicantown" neighborhood there are burned up homes, vandalized homes and abandoned areas like Delray. Every side of the city has its good, ok, bad, and worst
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Old 01-26-2011, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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Of all 139 square miles of the city, only ten or so are experiencing any meaningful turnaround. The other 129 are either the slums they have been for as long as anyone can remember or they are actively getting worse, and bringing down some suburban areas along with it.

The question was asked, "Why are outsiders more interested in Detroit's rebirth?" Here's why. They don't know how much is actually involved in fixing it. They don't know that the average metro Detroiter doesn't care what happens within the Detroit city limits, as long as it doesn't spill outside the city limits. To the average suburbanite, the city is usable for little more than sporting events downtown, the auto show (haven't been in three years now), casinos, good Mexican food, and where you go to buy dope. Outsiders don't realize that living in much of Detroit requires almost literally bolting down your car to the ground when you go to bed at night, among other things. Detroit shares more in common with Johannesburg than much of America.
heard it all before. Why is it that every time a suburbanite city starts going bad we are to blame? smh

as far as what is in red I find that to be the most amusing thing to me. Suburbanites who don't come to the city for anything other than what you named or at all tend to have this little idea that everyone living in the city is scared for their lives, property etc. Lets see I live in the hood, its past 5 am and I just walked in my house and no one messed with me. Matter of fact no one was even outside, even in the summer when everyone is outside beside the "hey, how are you doing" people are minding their own business. My sister insist on leaving her purse on her front seat (asking for it) but surprisingly both her car and purse are still there
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Old 01-26-2011, 07:11 AM
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Location: Pure Michigan!
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this is one of main keys to turning around the city. Areas outside of downtown have been improved and some have future plans. Things will not turn around in a day and with negative people outweighing the positive
This is true. If you think of a city in terms of a body, then the downtown is the heart. When a city is in need of rebirth, it only makes sense to start with the downtown. A city with a vibrant, interesting, relatively safe downtown is a city that will attract attention and people will start realizing that the rest of it, bit by bit, is probably worth saving too. Detroit has made HUGE strides in its downtown even in the past few decades. I can't imagine who would have lived in downtown Detroit when I was a kid, and now it is filled with young professionals and gorgeous lofts that rival those in Chicago and New York. As a result of these developments, Midtown is experiencing somewhat of a renaissance as well. I commented here this past summer that I was amazed at the Woodward corridor beyond the Fox Theater and the ballpark, because those are blocks that I can remember driving past when I was a kid with my parents and it was all bars, wig shops, and pawn shops. Now I see Starbucks, other cafes and restaurants, new lofts and apartments, and life, lots of life! People out and about and not afraid. This was not even close to being the case a couple of decades ago.

Downtown is still a work in progress, and it's so exciting to see. It's beginning to rival the downtowns of other great cities again bit by bit. I don't blame people for wanting to be a part of it and getting excited about it. Start with downtown, get the people there first, let them discover how much they love it, and bit by bit the rest of the city may turn around too.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:04 AM
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for the umpteenth time lol stop believing that all Detroiters that have relocated did so because they just hate it. There are many people who have moved, especially since the recession, for one reason........JOBS!
To quote a previous post of yours: "this is kind of off topic. I'm talking about suburbanites compared to non Michiganders only"
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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What I see is a lot of Detroiters moving out of the city. That is a good indication that it's not a good place to live.

I think the reason a lot of out-of-towners want to move to Detroit is because they read posts by ForStarters describing the "rebirth" of downtown and midtown and they assume he is talking about the whole city.
Well, for better or for worse (somewhat unfortunately), its places like downtown and midtown where all the attractions are, that "sell" the place to out-or-towners and suburbanites.

Although Chicagoans/Chicagolanders may vehemently deny it, there are so bigger picture similarities, being historically large industrial cities.

Chicago proper despite being in much better shape overall, and viewed as being more desirable or more "world class" than Detroit, really more in common with Detroit than many realize.

Chicago, despite all the revitalization and gentrification, is still over 700,000 fewer people than in the 1950 census. Since then only one 10 year period was there an actual population gain. In the 90s. Even since 2000 there has been a slight dip.

Chicago has a huge enough downtown, with a huge enough buffer of gentrification and urban beauty, that it allows area native and and visitors alike are awestruck by the beauty of all of this that it allows them to write off any problems as "well all cities have that."

This world class downtown area, differs from Detroit in two ways:

Chicago while having similar prosperity, immigration, architecture, growth from around 1910 to the 60s, had a 30-40 year head start as a major city, where it grew before cars and inevitably developed public transportation and accumulated more cultural attractions/amenities. #2: With both Daleys, Chicago is the one American city that came closest to a dictatorship. Seriously. What the Daleys were able to do, wielding the power, the had the power to turn downtown Chicago into something "world class" and wipe out the blight from the public perception.

Its almost as if there is a threshold where enough of the city is attractive enough, where the popular perception is that the city has turned around is now attractive. Even though the reality, is is that 2/3 of Chicago proper is similar to Detroit, (you may not have the seriously abandoned and bombed areas of big chunks of the east side, but still have boarded up houses, "urban prairies", shuttered factories in areas that are 99% African American, impoverished and high crime) its beyond the threshold, where people don't have to care as much, because they don't have to drive by it.

The point is here that I'm trying to make comparing Chicago, is that if downtown and midtown become "blight-less" and beautiful over a big enough area, then perceptions of suburbanites and those outside the region, will be changed even if big chunks of the city proper are crappy.

Again, I think there is a threshold here, and thats what they are trying to do to emulate it.
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Old 01-26-2011, 03:41 PM
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But didn't Chicago retain a sizable portion of whites and doesn't Chicago have a much larger percentage of Latinos?

I'm not saying that blacks are necessarily bad for a city, just that the fact that Detroit became so black put up an obstacle for young whites to stay or relocate within the city. And Latinos in Chicago "blended" the racial divide (i.e. made it less noticeable).
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Old 01-26-2011, 06:11 PM
 
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Yes, Chicago did retain a sizable portion of whites. Absolutely. The north side never had a very large percentage of AAs. So there wasn't really as big of a racial divide there on the north side through the 60s and 70s. So, there was little "white flight."

Yes, Chicagos latino population is around 25%, while Detroit is 5%. Although you still have residential segregation. Immigrants of all types are good for keeping a city vibrant. When you look at Chicago google maps, you see hispanic neighborhoods are 100% intact, where low income AA neighborhoods have a certain amount of "bombed-out abandonment" although maybe not quite on the level of say the east side of Detroit.

Detroit had quite a bit less immigration after the 60s than Chicago, although where there has been working class immigration in Detroit, the neighborhooods have not been abandoned and look similar to immigrant neighborhoods in Detroit. (Hamtramck, SW Detroit, East Dearborn).
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Old 01-26-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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Yes, Chicago did retain a sizable portion of whites. Absolutely. The north side never had a very large percentage of AAs. So there wasn't really as big of a racial divide there on the north side through the 60s and 70s. So, there was little "white flight."

Yes, Chicagos latino population is around 25%, while Detroit is 5%. Although you still have residential segregation. Immigrants of all types are good for keeping a city vibrant. When you look at Chicago google maps, you see hispanic neighborhoods are 100% intact, where low income AA neighborhoods have a certain amount of "bombed-out abandonment" although maybe not quite on the level of say the east side of Detroit.

Detroit had quite a bit less immigration after the 60s than Chicago, although where there has been working class immigration in Detroit, the neighborhooods have not been abandoned and look similar to immigrant neighborhoods in Detroit. (Hamtramck, SW Detroit, East Dearborn).
Think immigration is good for Detroit then?
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Old 01-26-2011, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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As a Texan, (and even a Tigers, Lions, Red Wings, and Pistons hater) I would still love to see Detroit rise up again, since it's lost 50% of it's population from when it was over 1.8 mil. But to see Detroit as the 11th U.S. city with a million and Detroit to be the next state to surpass 10,000,000 would be nice.
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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But didn't Chicago retain a sizable portion of whites and doesn't Chicago have a much larger percentage of Latinos?

I'm not saying that blacks are necessarily bad for a city, just that the fact that Detroit became so black put up an obstacle for young whites to stay or relocate within the city. And Latinos in Chicago "blended" the racial divide (i.e. made it less noticeable).
how does a city being "so black" create obstacles fot whites to move into the city. come on now be serious
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