Panic in Detroit: 40 years later (Atlanta, Clayton: for sale, crime rate, house prices)

[CHICAGOLAND92]

Panic in Detroit: Forty Years Later (excellent mini-series) - SkyscraperPage Forum


read the story, and post comments telling what you think

[RedWingsFan]

The people on that site are in copyright violation. That's what I think. All those stories should have a blurb and a link to the actual story. It's a copyright violation to copy and paste an entire article on a site like that.

Anyway, I read those articles on DetroitNews.com today. What do I think? I grew up in the area and have family members that were part of the white flight, there with the riots, etc. I think that the blacks got themselves in this mess and now they just want white people to help them get out of it.

Sure, the reporters try to paint a sob story picture in some of the readings. But they are not victims. I have no sympathy for anyone that will not get up and help themselves, instead just stands there with their hand out.

The bottom line is that when blacks moved into the city white people wanted to leave. Blacks made the crime rates go up and people don't want to live by that. Now they don't even want to live by each other.

[CHICAGOLAND92]

If you clicked the title to the article, you would see that it takes you to the actual story.


Anyways.. I watched this video..
detnews.com | Audio Slide Show | Aftershocks rock Dobel Street

And this is how I see it: a hardworking, black family moved onto a block.. Shortly afterwards, many houses go up for sale for cheap.. and then poorer, ill-mannered people with a lower quality of life destroy the neighborhood. And the hardworking black family that first moved there can do nothing but watch in despair as the once vibrant, bustling neighborhood goes into a steep decline.


Blacks got themselves into this mess? What was the reason for leaving Detroit? Because a black person moved on your block? LOL. What are they gonna do, come into your house, rob you and kill you? How do you know ALL people in Detroit aren't trying to help themselves? Some people may just be poor, and trying to get out to make better lives for their children.. unfortunately people like you won't allow it to happen.

What even makes you think people want to live in an area with a high crime rate?
Some people may like that environment, but it's not true for most people.. Which is why you see Detroit's population steadily declining, except for downtown, mexicantown, etc.

You say you have "no sympathy for anyone that will not get up and help themselves," yet, when you say black people move into the suburbs, they've delined. :rollseyes:

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

The people on that site are in copyright violation. That's what I think. All those stories should have a blurb and a link to the actual story. It's a copyright violation to copy and paste an entire article on a site like that.

Anyway, I read those articles on DetroitNews.com today. What do I think? I grew up in the area and have family members that were part of the white flight, there with the riots, etc. I think that the blacks got themselves in this mess and now they just want white people to help them get out of it.

Sure, the reporters try to paint a sob story picture in some of the readings. But they are not victims. I have no sympathy for anyone that will not get up and help themselves, instead just stands there with their hand out.

The bottom line is that when blacks moved into the city white people wanted to leave. Blacks made the crime rates go up and people don't want to live by that. Now they don't even want to live by each other.

Whites began moving out of Detroit as Blacks increased in numbers. The riots just began to make it happen faster. The crime rate went up after the riots. "White flight" was occurring before Detroit became a violent city.

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

Whites began moving out of Detroit as Blacks increased in numbers. The riots just began to make it happen faster. The crime rate went up after the riots. "White flight" was occurring before Detroit became a violent city.

Um, yeah... I know this and have posted this in the past. Of course whites were heading for the suburbs as soon as blacks showed up.

And to the poster above... so I guess (according to the way you act) the crime rate went down or at least stayed the same when blacks moved in...

Ever look at the crime rate in Detroit? Second most dangerous city in American and it didn't have that reputation when it was a white city. Just as in your insinuation, it's true that the more blacks that moved in the higher the crime rate climbed. I know it's not politically correct to say that, but it's the truth...

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

Um, yeah... I know this and have posted this in the past. Of course whites were heading for the suburbs as soon as blacks showed up.

And to the poster above... so I guess (according to the way you act) the crime rate went down or at least stayed the same when blacks moved in...

Ever look at the crime rate in Detroit? Second most dangerous city in American and it didn't have that reputation when it was a white city. Just as in your insinuation, it's true that the more blacks that moved in the higher the crime rate climbed. I know it's not politically correct to say that, but it's the truth...

The crime rate only went up climbed quickly after the riots, over theyears got worse. Detroit wasn't violent when blacks started to move to Detroit and become large in numbers. It became violent after the 67' riot and continues to be violent. Even the blacks who could afford it left Detroit for the suburbs because they were scared to be there.

[CHICAGOLAND92]

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

Um, yeah... I know this and have posted this in the past. Of course whites were heading for the suburbs as soon as blacks showed up.

And to the poster above... so I guess (according to the way you act) the crime rate went down or at least stayed the same when blacks moved in...

Ever look at the crime rate in Detroit? Second most dangerous city in American and it didn't have that reputation when it was a white city. Just as in your insinuation, it's true that the more blacks that moved in the higher the crime rate climbed. I know it's not politically correct to say that, but it's the truth...

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come out like that.

What I was trying to say was, a hard-working, middle class black family moves into an all white neighborhood. People get scared, and put their houses up for cheap.. therefore, poorer people can afford to move in the neighborhood, which brings the neighborhood down. If people would have stayed put, or kept house prices at the level they were, neighborhoods wouldn't have deteriorated.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by CHICAGOLAND92

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come out like that.

What I was trying to say was, a hard-working, middle class black family moves into an all white neighborhood. People get scared, and put their houses up for cheap.. therefore, poorer people can afford to move in the neighborhood, which brings the neighborhood down. If people would have stayed put, or kept house prices at the level they were, neighborhoods wouldn't have deteriorated.

That is so true. Sadly, there is an inherent, and very sad fact of human nature that says "if someone doesn't look like me, I don't want to live near them". And Detroit isn't the only place that this is happening. Check out Clayton County,GA, just south of Atlanta. What so many people don't realize is that it isn't that one particualr ethnic group moves in, but fears make people leave and sell out for cheap and the neighboorhood can go down.

[jumpygh]

I assume everyone has heard of Putnam's study about diversity. Basically, people don't like diversity, as much as they may say otherwise.

Diversity is bad

[and the]

That is so true. Sadly, there is an inherent, and very sad fact of human nature that says "if someone doesn't look like me, I don't want to live near them".

I'd rather live among others who share roughly the same income level, who came from roughly the same family background, who share the same family values (and actually put them into practice). I don't really care about what their race or ethnic background is.

How many new arrivals in a changing neighborhood that was formerly at least 50% European-American, Judeo-Christian usually fit this bill?

I think we tend to imply that racism is responsible for neighborhood changes where it's not necessarily applicable. I've heard people of various races and ethnic backgrounds say "We want the same things YOU do..." while their kids are running around in the street screaming, their lawns are full of weeds and the gutters are hanging down across the living room windows. Of course they do, but they're not actually DOING much about it.