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Old 07-14-2011, 12:57 PM
 
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I guarantee there is NO NEIGHBORHOOD in Chicago and its suburbs that look that nice that are even 20-25% African American
You must be unfamiliar with a certain part of Glencoe, IL
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Old 07-14-2011, 01:27 PM
 
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You must be unfamiliar with a certain part of Glencoe, IL
I just checked it out on wikipedia. 2000 census says it is 2.1 % out of just under 9,000 people.

But what I find fascinating, when you look at the stats, in addition to the upper middle class Detroit proper enclaves that are at least 3/4 AA (Palmer Woods, Sherwood, University District, North Rosedale Park) even the three Bloomfields (Hills, Township, and West Township) according to wikipedia are 5% black! And they are just as wealthy as Chicagolands wealthiest suburbs, which at the very most are only 2% black, and in other cases are only .2%.

Its just interesting.

Someone posted a thread on the city vs. city forum that gave the statistics of total AA household for metro areas, and the households that earn over $200,000 a year.

And Chicago area despite being more economically well off, the percentage of AA households that earned over $200,000 was almost exactly the same as Detroits.

The highest was D.C. metro. Then both SF Bay area, LA metro, and New York. Then Atlanta, which is up and coming was 5th.
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Old 07-14-2011, 01:29 PM
 
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I guarantee there is NO NEIGHBORHOOD in Chicago and its suburbs that look that nice that are even 20-25% African American.
I should've said there are no neighborhoods OVER 25% African American that look that nice.
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:06 AM
 
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I should've said there are no neighborhoods OVER 25% African American that look that nice.
Yeah, the AA community is shrinking but enduring. Glencoe has had black residents since its inception, centered around St. Paul AME, and is one of the nicest suburbs of Chicago. But yeah - way less than 25%.

Sorry for the OT.
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:18 AM
 
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Detroit is the product of our ancestors, from the black bottom days until today It has been up to the potential and current Detroit-er to make the city what they think it should be to them. Detroit is a very powerful city. Our neighborhood, and community leaders really should put more emphasis on the city's neighborhoods. The city is not so bad to live in. It just needs attention, positive attention, meaning not just rebuilding downtown areas, but the entire city. Detroit is not a very bad to live in, we just need to clean it up and give it some attention.


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Old 07-16-2011, 09:14 AM
 
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I think the racial polarization is what has doomed Detroit to failure. I think this is a major reason why the city of Detroit will not recover anytime soon (meaning within the next few generations) like it did from any other economic crisis including the Great Depression and the Panic of 1893.

Detroit was a social experiment that failed. We can't keep subsidizing Detroit in the hope that it will be jump-started with an influx of cash or jobs. The problem with Detroit is not the lack of jobs but rather a whole mentality. Stop subsidizing a way of life that does nothing to contribute to society and maybe some significant improvement may result. When you subsidize something, you get more of it. When you tax something, you get less of it.

Also. There is an unspoken rule in Detroit that says that when leaders are chosen, they won't be chosen from the "best" pool of candidates, but rather the best "black" pool of candidates. This effectively eliminates a hell of a lot of candidates. It also drives a lot of people of all races and ethnicities away from the city. Detroiters won't even take free money from a white suburbanite if there are any strings attached. Please explain why Detroit turned down $200 million from Bob Thompson to build a new high school. Spare me the BS rationalizations and cut to the chase on why they turned down that money and effort from an "outsider".

Detroit is like the two year-old kid who is trying to master something beyond his abilities but who refuses outside assistance. Detroit wants outside money but not outside influence. Reference: Bob Thompson. Sorry, the well of outside money is just about dry. We'll see how well Detroiters continue to subsidize Detroiters who don't contribute. Detroit has gone from prosperity generator to prosperity liability.

Next: No accountability of Detroiters to Detroiters, let alone anyone else, and none is expected or demanded. They voted for Kwame TWICE. Seems like everybody has their own (non tax-paying) hustle. The police department has been under a consent decree for how long? See any improvement in the city? Take a look at where the accountability has always come from when Detroit's antics have become just too much for the outside world to bear without taking action: Wayne County Prosecutor, State Attorney General, FBI, Justice Department, federal monitor of the police......That says to me that Detroit can't police itself and Detroiters really don't care about the level of corruption, mainly because such a high percentage of the population directly benefits from the corrupt patronage that is Detroit.

Instead of fixing things, Detroiters throw them away. Case in point: The School system. "Well just start a CHARTER school system and send our kids there."

Well, God bless you CC and the Vanilla suburbs. You may as well vote for George and Bootsy. Maybe they can figure it out. Seems like Detroit has gone from "gainin' on ya" to "Uh oh...What do we do now?"
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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A lot of people don't understand simple economics. Even here in Chicago people were enraged at Daley for spending more money on downtown than the surrounding neighborhoods, "protecting" downtown, offering tax breaks to large business and such to keep the downtown area bustling and attractive to business.

They refuse to recognize that without significant tax revenues a city is paralyzed.

Thus Detroit.

Actually, come to think of it, it's the same debate taking place in DC right now.

You think things are bad now...Coleman Young is generally seen as the one who gave away the keys to the kingdom.
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Old 07-16-2011, 12:29 PM
 
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I think the racial polarization is what has doomed Detroit to failure. I think this is a major reason why the city of Detroit will not recover anytime soon (meaning within the next few generations) like it did from any other economic crisis including the Great Depression and the Panic of 1893.

Detroit was a social experiment that failed. We can't keep subsidizing Detroit in the hope that it will be jump-started with an influx of cash or jobs. The problem with Detroit is not the lack of jobs but rather a whole mentality. Stop subsidizing a way of life that does nothing to contribute to society and maybe some significant improvement may result. When you subsidize something, you get more of it. When you tax something, you get less of it.

Also. There is an unspoken rule in Detroit that says that when leaders are chosen, they won't be chosen from the "best" pool of candidates, but rather the best "black" pool of candidates. This effectively eliminates a hell of a lot of candidates. It also drives a lot of people of all races and ethnicities away from the city. Detroiters won't even take free money from a white suburbanite if there are any strings attached. Please explain why Detroit turned down $200 million from Bob Thompson to build a new high school. Spare me the BS rationalizations and cut to the chase on why they turned down that money and effort from an "outsider".

Detroit is like the two year-old kid who is trying to master something beyond his abilities but who refuses outside assistance. Detroit wants outside money but not outside influence. Reference: Bob Thompson. Sorry, the well of outside money is just about dry. We'll see how well Detroiters continue to subsidize Detroiters who don't contribute. Detroit has gone from prosperity generator to prosperity liability.

Next: No accountability of Detroiters to Detroiters, let alone anyone else, and none is expected or demanded. They voted for Kwame TWICE. Seems like everybody has their own (non tax-paying) hustle. The police department has been under a consent decree for how long? See any improvement in the city? Take a look at where the accountability has always come from when Detroit's antics have become just too much for the outside world to bear without taking action: Wayne County Prosecutor, State Attorney General, FBI, Justice Department, federal monitor of the police......That says to me that Detroit can't police itself and Detroiters really don't care about the level of corruption, mainly because such a high percentage of the population directly benefits from the corrupt patronage that is Detroit.

Instead of fixing things, Detroiters throw them away. Case in point: The School system. "Well just start a CHARTER school system and send our kids there."

Well, God bless you CC and the Vanilla suburbs. You may as well vote for George and Bootsy. Maybe they can figure it out. Seems like Detroit has gone from "gainin' on ya" to "Uh oh...What do we do now?"
Agreed, but the bull**** comes from both sides of the aisle (suburbs/white and city/black).

Difference is the suburbs/whites are more tactical/subtle with their bull****. For example, in any other Metro Area, people that live in the suburbs will associate themselves with their central city. The suburbanites/whites have gone so far out of their way to disassociate themselves from the city/blacks that they always say SE Michigan instead of Metro Detroit (yeah, that's where the term came from, we know, but no one ever brings that up because it's not politically correct). Also, we all know "Detroiters" for most suburbanites/whites is keyword for black people. For example, a suburbanite at another forum suggested that Ferndale (which is a mostly white suburb) restrict people who live in Detroit (blacks) from entering the city after the crime at the drug store. Of course he had eggs all over his face when he realized the suspects were from Oak Park. Then lets not forget the crap with L. Brooks Patterson and the comment he made to Detroit/Detroiters concerning the Zoo.

And here's a good one. I was at the St. Clar Shores Post Office and this guy was telling the lady at the counter how some people at the Shell Gas Station on Moross and Haper were committing some blatant crime out in the open and then got away with it (it had something to do with credit cards, I can't remember exactly). Anyway, the idiot woman lambasted the Detroit Police Department for not doing their job. Yet little does the idiotic woman know the Shell Gas Station in question is in Harper Woods, NOT Detroit.

This region will never progress into the 21st century with these type of people around in large numbers.

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Old 07-16-2011, 01:21 PM
 
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I think the racial polarization is what has doomed Detroit to failure. I think this is a major reason why the city of Detroit will not recover anytime soon (meaning within the next few generations) like it did from any other economic crisis including the Great Depression and the Panic of 1893.

Detroit was a social experiment that failed. We can't keep subsidizing Detroit in the hope that it will be jump-started with an influx of cash or jobs. The problem with Detroit is not the lack of jobs but rather a whole mentality. Stop subsidizing a way of life that does nothing to contribute to society and maybe some significant improvement may result. When you subsidize something, you get more of it. When you tax something, you get less of it.

Also. There is an unspoken rule in Detroit that says that when leaders are chosen, they won't be chosen from the "best" pool of candidates, but rather the best "black" pool of candidates. This effectively eliminates a hell of a lot of candidates. It also drives a lot of people of all races and ethnicities away from the city. Detroiters won't even take free money from a white suburbanite if there are any strings attached. Please explain why Detroit turned down $200 million from Bob Thompson to build a new high school. Spare me the BS rationalizations and cut to the chase on why they turned down that money and effort from an "outsider".

Detroit is like the two year-old kid who is trying to master something beyond his abilities but who refuses outside assistance. Detroit wants outside money but not outside influence. Reference: Bob Thompson. Sorry, the well of outside money is just about dry. We'll see how well Detroiters continue to subsidize Detroiters who don't contribute. Detroit has gone from prosperity generator to prosperity liability.

Next: No accountability of Detroiters to Detroiters, let alone anyone else, and none is expected or demanded. They voted for Kwame TWICE. Seems like everybody has their own (non tax-paying) hustle. The police department has been under a consent decree for how long? See any improvement in the city? Take a look at where the accountability has always come from when Detroit's antics have become just too much for the outside world to bear without taking action: Wayne County Prosecutor, State Attorney General, FBI, Justice Department, federal monitor of the police......That says to me that Detroit can't police itself and Detroiters really don't care about the level of corruption, mainly because such a high percentage of the population directly benefits from the corrupt patronage that is Detroit.

Instead of fixing things, Detroiters throw them away. Case in point: The School system. "Well just start a CHARTER school system and send our kids there."

Well, God bless you CC and the Vanilla suburbs. You may as well vote for George and Bootsy. Maybe they can figure it out. Seems like Detroit has gone from "gainin' on ya" to "Uh oh...What do we do now?"
But by posting this in the first place, aren't you contributing to the racial polarization?

And although Detroit is 85% black, this is really not that different from other cities. The city-suburban divide in metro Detroit is analogous to Chicagos north side-south side divide. People on the north side are always blaming crimes on people on the south side. Chicago proper is more "diverse" on paper when looking at the statistics, because during the 1960s, the fist mayor daley when through great lengths to keep white people in the city and keep "control" of the city:

By setting strict residency rules on city workers (cops who were and still somewhat are largely Catholic-white ethnic (Irish, Polish, Italian-American), by concentrating poverty in massive public housing projects so poor blacks didn't start moving into stable white-ethnic neighborhoods scaring them away and selling their homes and moving to the suburbs, by tearind down historic archiciture on the north side and building luxury high rise condos to keep wealthier people in the city.

So yes, it "worked" but yet Chicago is more divided by race than people realize. Bohemian-artsyhippie types over the last 20 years have been priced out of the neighborhoods they helped to make "cool" so they move into different neighborhoods. Hispanic neighborhoods like Humboldt Park, Pilsen, and Logan Square, where the residents don't want them moving in, because it will make the neighborhood more desirable and more expensive. They would rather their neighborhood remain cheap and quasi-ghetto so that they can afford to live their on their minimum or less than minimum wage jobs where they don't have to master english, rather than see their neighborhood become nice.
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:58 PM
 
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Detroit had residency requirements for cops and fireman for a long time. I think that only changed recently. They all lived in the same neighborhoods...

Then when the reality got to be a complete joke, they would just buy some house for $5K as their "residency" and live in the burbs.

You can't blame people for not wanting to live in Detroit. A lot of blacks don't want to live in Detroit. Thus Southfield.

My Grandpa refused to move out of Detroit and had to essentially turn his house into a fortress that was nevertheless constantly assaulted. Why the **** would he want to stay there?

Well, actually, he did. I guess having fought in some of the bloodiest battles of World War II he wasn't really that scared. Still, most people would not.
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