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Old 10-28-2011, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I could fawn over historical Detroit photos all day...




Today.


Today.


Today.

Credit: Virtual Motor City

With neighborhoods like that, who wouldn't want to live and work here? Of course, a few pictures are never the whole story and we know all too well of what we're left with.
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Old 10-29-2011, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Pure Michigan!
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Just speechless..totally and completely speechless. Are the african americans fleeing en masse today also bigots?
Uh-uh, that dog won't hunt. One of the reasons why whites fled Detroit in the mid- and late 20th century was to get away from blacks, plain and simple. If not, then how do you explain a city that is over 80% black surrounded by a ring of progressively lily white suburbs the farther from the city core you go? The blacks that are fleeing Detroit today are leaving for completely different reasons; high crime, terrible schools, lack of jobs, lack of amenities, etc. Detroit's economy was booming in the 1950s with many shopping venues, theaters, etc., its school system, as you were so kind to point out, was world class, and its neighborhoods were, by and large, still safe and well kept. It wasn't blight and lack of good schools or job opportunities that made whites flee to the suburbs in those days, that's pretty obvious.

Really, if the whites who lived in Detroit in the mid- and late 20th century were not bigots and were happy as clams to live amongst their black bretheren, then why the race riots of 1943 and those that took place in the late '60s, among other things? I thought it was common knowledge that the fact that Detroit was one of the most racially divided cities of the 20th century was one of the greatest reasons for its demise.

You'll notice that I never said that ALL whites were bigots, but enough of them were to get the momentum going to flee to the 'burbs, because that's exactly what happened. If you had family in Detroit back then, for all I know they were in love with their black neighbors, but if they were, then sadly, they weren't in the majority, and you know the old saying, "the majority rules".

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Old 10-29-2011, 10:35 AM
 
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Detroit's peak was around 1950. It began to lose population after that, for many factors. Racism may have been one reason, but the development of the freeways and the availability of more property and larger homes for less money also played a part in Detroit's decline.

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Old 10-29-2011, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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Originally Posted by canudigit
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When did Detroit begin to dwindle? Probably around the time that the expressways that gave people the ability to be whisked away to the suburbs in relatively short order were built and more and more blacks emigrated from the South, also causing bigoted whites (I'm white, but it's true, they were bigots) to flee to the suburbs en masse. The riots of 1967 kind of sealed Detroit's fate, along with multiple political situations, and this once great city is still trying to rebound from all of those things today.




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Just speechless..totally and completely speechless. Are the african americans fleeing en masse today also bigots?
You are trying to compare two totally different set of circumstances, cut it out..
Just because you don't like the truth, stop trying to belittle others for telling it.
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Old 10-29-2011, 04:08 PM
 
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You are trying to compare two totally different set of circumstances, cut it out..
Just because you don't like the truth, stop trying to belittle others for telling it.
Very well stated. +1.
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Old 10-29-2011, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I found this recent photo:


Attachment 86672
Where are all the people? Sadly, gone to never return in our lifetimes.
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Old 10-30-2011, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest & NYC Central Park South
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Detroit was built by very smart, extremely industrious Americans, Scandinavians, and Germans. By the time the Auto Pioneers came along, the city already had an advanced industrial base which allowed the Auto Industry to zoom past its competition in Europe and elsewhere in America. In other words, there were already a lot of people there who knew how to make machinery.

But then, the manufacturers started importing cheap labor. In poured fringe-group whites, from iffy areas of Europe. With them came the behavior/integrity problems endemic in their old countries. Later, non-European labor was imported from America's South.

Eventually, the non-Europeans began physically attacking those of European extraction. And there were riots, with over 2,000 buildings destroyed. This caused white flight from the city.

About the same time, the labor unions (run by scary criminals from the fringe areas of Europe) began to cut into the auto manufacturers' profits. Manufacturers began to seek opportunities in non-union states, and in foreign countries. Foreign manufacturers, unburdened by unions and government interference, began to have a competitive advantage over American Industry, with Detroit being heaviest hit by the loss of industrial jobs.

Other cities have reinvented themselves. Minneapolis did. Pittsburgh did. But the lack of Human Capital in Detroit, plus the presence of vast numbers of very dangerous individuals, has made that reinvention both impossible and pointless.

Those who hoped for an emptied-out city which could be rebuilt, have discovered that there has been a recent influx of Illegal Immigrants from Latin America, along with a huge influx of Middle Easterners. These are added to the existing population of irredeemably hopeless Americans remaining in the city. The synergy of these three groups will guarantee that the city remains too toxic to have any future at all.
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:49 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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Detroit was built by very smart, extremely industrious Americans, Scandinavians, and Germans. By the time the Auto Pioneers came along, the city already had an advanced industrial base which allowed the Auto Industry to zoom past its competition in Europe and elsewhere in America. In other words, there were already a lot of people there who knew how to make machinery.

But then, the manufacturers started importing cheap labor. In poured fringe-group whites, from iffy areas of Europe. With them came the behavior/integrity problems endemic in their old countries. Later, non-European labor was imported from America's South.

Eventually, the non-Europeans began physically attacking those of European extraction. And there were riots, with over 2,000 buildings destroyed. This caused white flight from the city.

About the same time, the labor unions (run by scary criminals from the fringe areas of Europe) began to cut into the auto manufacturers' profits. Manufacturers began to seek opportunities in non-union states, and in foreign countries. Foreign manufacturers, unburdened by unions and government interference, began to have a competitive advantage over American Industry, with Detroit being heaviest hit by the loss of industrial jobs.

Other cities have reinvented themselves. Minneapolis did. Pittsburgh did. But the lack of Human Capital in Detroit, plus the presence of vast numbers of very dangerous individuals, has made that reinvention both impossible and pointless.

Those who hoped for an emptied-out city which could be rebuilt, have discovered that there has been a recent influx of Illegal Immigrants from Latin America, along with a huge influx of Middle Easterners. These are added to the existing population of irredeemably hopeless Americans remaining in the city. The synergy of these three groups will guarantee that the city remains too toxic to have any future at all.
Huh? In Webster's Dictionary, the term POLITICALLY CORRECT FAIRYTALES just had the definition changed.

If Detroit was heavily unionized, how did "cheap" labor become a factor?

Also, I believe it was the CEOs and management that sucked the auto companies dry. AKA stock options, incentives and golden severence packages?

It is just amazing how the very people who have stolen our way of life and crushed our economy (corporate america) have been able to vilify those (unions and the working class) who gave us 40 hour work weeks, safe working conditions and a sustainable LIVING wage.

I do not see people attacking the police unions, the NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA unions...but when the working class (who are where we are because of unions) stands up and starts claiming the right to work, fair pay, and decent hours of employment--We are told to SHUT UP, SIT DOWN and be greatful we have a POS job?

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Old 10-30-2011, 09:09 AM
 
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Huh? In Webster's Dictionary, the term POLITICALLY CORRECT FAIRYTALES just had the definition changed.

If Detroit was heavily unionized, how did "cheap" labor become a factor?

Also, I believe it was the CEOs and management that sucked the auto companies dry. AKA stock options, incentives and golden severence packages?

It is just amazing how the very people who have stolen our way of life and crushed our economy (corporate america) have been able to vilify those (unions and the working class) who gave us 40 hour work weeks, safe working conditions and a sustainable LIVING wage.

I do not see people attacking the police unions, the NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA unions...but when the working class (who are where we are because of unions) stands up and starts claiming the right to work, fair pay, and decent hours of employment--We are told to SHUT UP, SIT DOWN and be greatful we have a POS job?
I agree with majority of your comment, but with respect to the bolded you took what he said out of context.

Cheap labor was a factor in the auto industry's initial success, because there were no labor laws to speak of. The only company (automobile manufacturer and manufacturer in general) that did treat their employees "well", relative to the time period, was Ford, and Henry Ford did that voluntarily. The autoworkers didn't become truly unionized until FDR and the New Deal (call him what you want, but he was one of, if not the greatest US president, can't say that enough, THE people's president).

Majority of what she said was also correct, it's really just those middle 2 paragraphs that are nothing but lies and political spin. I mean really, he wants to talks about non-European Americans "physically attacking" European Americans. But who enslaved who for centuries first? That part discredits the entire post alone.
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Old 10-30-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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"American Odyssey" by Robert E. Conot is a darn good (and interesting) read on Detroit and Michigan history.

Detroit never recovered from Great Depression for multiple reasons. Reason #1 (as for me), old industrial Capital deserted the City everything else followed. That's Capitalism for ya, the livelihoods of the millions is controlled by a handful of the anointed ones maximizing their bottom line by externalizing production costs on society, environment and future generations. Detroit didn't "reinvent" itself as a hip, high end service, distribution, consumption and entertainment hub that fits well in the national & global economy of absurd. Why? Sure, there were some demography, geography and economics involved, but reason #1 (as for me) Detroit never developed "non-cosmopolitan" ruling elites vested in the city of Detroit. I don't like it, but in the atomizing system we live under, it's the only way for a locale to withstand external pressures undermining its survival.

Henry Ford' family didn't live in Detroit. Detroit industrialists used Detroit as a holding tank for labor (of various degree of cheapness) yet few lived there, they plundered pristine South Michigan (or Michigan for that matter) in a matter of a few decades leaving waste and burning rivers behind as they moved on to the greener pastures. Think about it, Michigan was more or less pristine land around 1850, and greedy bastards of all walks of life didn't leave even 1 acre of primeval forest for us to see. No loyalty to the land, no loyalty to the people, no loyalty to anything or anybody except bottom line.

Detroit lost its value as a labor tank and city' owning class didn't have any other uses for it, it's too bad the rest of us can just vent on impersonal forums, contemplating the ways we should bend over in order to attract & please the owning class. There is no solution, hope or future with this kind of mindset.
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