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You come to our neighborhoods to buy drugs. You need us more than we need you, and that's just a fact.
Other way around. There is only one thing in my life that I have to visit Detroit for, and that's one of the store fixture stores on West Eight Mile. Everything else I come into the city for, I could do north of Eight Mile just as easily. Then again, I don't really gamble and have had a lifelong hatred of Detroit sports teams, not that I like sports all that much anyways. I never even considered attending Wayne State...almost went to UM-Flint, but fell into my union job at almost that exact moment. Drugs and prostitution are plentiful in the suburbs and have been for at least twenty years. When I get my queso flameado in Mexicantown when I could get one just as good at 21 and Van Dyke, shop at the 8/Gratiot Aldi when there is at least one other on my way home, get my pizza at Little Italy, and get my Chinese food at Jefferson and Chene, I'm doing the city a favor. (I almost bought my last car in Detroit, too, but the nameless, somehow still open GM dealer, who on all his promotional materials says his lot is in "Grosse Pointe," offered me a usurious interest rate.)
The other reason Detroit needs the suburbs...Non-resident Income Tax. Without all those workers downtown wasting 1.5 per cent of their gross pay with nothing to show for it (taxation without representation, too) Detroit would have a lot less money to play with than it would otherwise. Also, Detroiters are often not in any financial position to support the cultural institutions bearing Detroit's name.
Anyone who shows people what Detroit looks like is a troll, anyone who says bad things about Detroit is a troll. Look at the title to this whole thread, "Detroit is the nations least popular city". This poll proves that most people all over the nation have a negative opinon of the city. Are they all trolls too??? Anyone with eyes can see the ruined buildings, broken infrastructure, trash laying everywhere and even abandoned skyscrapers. Are they trolls too????
Nobody's questioning the existence of the poll or its results.
As was stated, people accept the entertainment media as news and are foolish to let it form their opinions. And people who repeat the same negative talking points over and over are probably trolls imo. Many people, for various reasons, root for the demise of Detroit or anything else they don't like - then they can say "My disdain was justified".
Drugs and prostitution are plentiful in the suburbs and have been for at least twenty years.
Just because you get yours from some dealer out in the suburb doesn't mean he didn't trip out here for the goods. As I like to say, follow the llello (yayo for those non spanish proficient among us) brick road
From the rest of your post, it sounds like you use detroit more than I use the burbs
That article suggest Detroit's white population is increasing.
The numbers straight from the census shows the exact opposite happening.
Now, do you dispute the fact that Detroit's white population declined from 2000 to 2010?
What happened before 2000 is irrelevant.
I am not questioning that the white population declined. I lived in Warrendale from 2005 to 2010, and I saw some of the white folks leave.
That 41,000 white people, which is somewhere around 33-40% of the remaining white people, left the city in the decade of the 2000's, yet the relative percentage of white people stayed pretty much the same demonstrates that there weren't that many white people left in the city to begin with.
The fact that Detroit's current white population is less than 5% of what it was at the city's peak population is going to be relevant to Detroit for a long time.
I am not questioning that the white population declined. I lived in Warrendale from 2005 to 2010, and I saw some of the white folks leave.
That 41,000 white people, which is somewhere around 33-40% of the remaining white people, left the city in the decade of the 2000's, yet the relative percentage of white people stayed pretty much the same demonstrates that there weren't that many white people left in the city to begin with.
The fact that Detroit's current white population is less than 5% of what it was at the city's peak population is going to be relevant to Detroit for a long time.
No one said there would be a drastic changes in the total percentages of people relative to the total number of people. The reason no serious statistican was expecting a DRASTIC change in the percentages is because they knew, given the opportunites that were available in the last decade thanks to the real estate bubble and how the numbers were already standing as of the 2000 census, many more blacks would flee Detroit than any of the remaining whites, since they make up 82% of the population. That would in effect keep the perrcentanges in check.
But the fact of the matter is the percentage of white people in Detroit still did decrease 2% yet in the last census (and the absolute numbers also decrease). What did you expect when 25% of a city's population left in ONE DECADE (nothing EVER experienced before in a city Detroit's size, barring any natural disasters, which Detroit is relatively safe from them anyway)? Heck, that's how many people left the city of Chicago (a place on this forum people seem to loathe, likely out of jealousy) has lost TOTAL since the 1950s.
My point was Detroit's white population is still decreasing, despite what some (includig a low-budget news station) were trying to suggest. So again, do you dispute that fact or not?
And finally, no one said the lack of diversity in Detroit was good either. However, at the end of the day, the city desperately needs taxpaying bodies period, regardless of their race. The fact that Detroit only has less than 5% of the white population it used to have is neither here nor there as we stand now, when blacks are fleeing the city at a steady rate as well now and the city is on the verge of bankruptcy.
actually the average Michigander is moving out of state or looking to move out of state. I'll put money on it being more black ex-Detroiters in Atlanta and Texas over the burbs.
You've done a poll on this?
Do you really believe that more Detroiters are moving (have moved) out of the state (to only two destinations no less! ) than are moving to a suburb?
Nobody's questioning the existence of the poll or its results.
As was stated, people accept the entertainment media as news and are foolish to let it form their opinions. And people who repeat the same negative talking points over and over are probably trolls imo. Many people, for various reasons, root for the demise of Detroit or anything else they don't like - then they can say "My disdain was justified".
A troll would be someone who submits inflammatory comments. Saying Detroit is a "least popular city" is more of a factual, or widely accepted, statement. Therefore it really can't be considered trolling. Trolling would be someone who says something outlandish in order to elicit indignation from those holding the prevailing opinion. For example, saying Detroit is a great city with great grocery stores would be trolling.
Also, expressing a negative view of Detroit is not the same as "root[ing] for the demise of Detroit". As anyone who has ever recovered from a harmful addiction can tell you, the first step to recovery is to acknowledge that you have a problem. Detroit's problem is that they are in a state of denial (as well as Michigan ). Therefore it is only natural for people to point out the obvious to the deniers.
I'm sorry to break it to daniel but the suburbs in oakland county and the pointes are not the 'nicest' in the nation. Just about every big city I've been has very 'nice' suburbs and many of these 'nice' suburbs are just as nice if not nicer.
I also have to ask, how do you know crime is outta control? You don't live here and probably only spent very little time here? What are you going on here? How do you compare this crime to other cities you never lived in and never been to?
And as nice as these suburbs supposedly are, you guys still come to detroit more than we come up there. Every now and then, once in a blue moon, I may go up to RO/Ferndale but the suburbs I like are pontiac (has some good nightlife), inkster (a lot of friends here), hamtramck (interesting area in general), highland park (a lot of friends, some good food joints), harper woods (got some business in the area) and occasionally I'll go to grosse pointe and buy groceries at kroger (don't buy groceries nearly enough).
However, you guys come down here to chill in our downtown and drop your money in our casinos. You come to our university (wayne). You come for games, shows, concerts. You come to our neighborhoods to buy drugs. You need us more than we need you, and that's just a fact.
This post is sickening. "ours" "yours" Just plain ignorant and an embarrassment to any and all Detroiters with any class. Do NOT cry "RACE" when you are encouraging it yourself. NEWSFLASH: Detroit is part of a bigger whole called Michigan. Detroit is neither "yours" nor "mine" and the sooner you and any of your followers get with that, the sooner Detroit can mend. Who cares who needs who, for God's sake? How stupid is that argument? You are living in the state of Michigan of which Detroit is a city in. Get over it.
Personally, I couldn't care less if Detroit was a part of MI or not. There is NOTHING I need there and never have. I go there to support my state and to support local business. Reading posts like yours makes me never want to set foot in Detroit again. And most likely I won't. Pathetic.
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Originally Posted by detroitlove
Listen most politicians are crooked, corrupt and out for themselves in this nation. To deny that race isn't apart of why a city with mostly white politicans and population can survive while a city with mostly black politicians and population is the biggest problem in this country. Think about all of the cities that have major problems and are highly looked down on and struggling more than most and tell me that these cities are run by white poeple and I'll show you a lie
and in no way am I insuinating that these politicians are the way they are because they are black
If you believe that or if it is indeed true, what is your point? Do something about it, good Lord. More effective to come to a public forum and spread blather about it? I would think one would tire of it. Best defense is to get out there and prove everyone else wrong. Ain't happenin' here.
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Originally Posted by danielj72
You refer to downtown as "yours" well here is a reality check for you. The small area of downtown that people visit around the ball parks, greektown and the casinos is only nice because outside money made it that way. Those stadiums were not built with detroit money, and neither were the casinos. In fact alot of money and effort goes into keeping "real Detroit" out of that small district downtown. Even your corrupt city goverment fears what would happen if stories of murders, rapes, and robberies occuring near the so called safe downtown areas started circulating. The only real incomming cash Detroit has is from the suburban people spending cash downtown. As far as who needs who, well you dont want to go there. Without state welfare dollars I cant imagine what would happen in Detroit. I really dont want to see those kind of headlines in the national press about Michigan and im sure most people dont either. For that reason welfare, state programs and food stamps for Detroit are likely safe for now. Detroit needs the rest of Michigan far more than we need you.
+1 Whether it is a favored post or not, to deny this is the reason Detroit is still as it is.
Be loyal to the city all you want, but don't defend the disaster it is. Get out there and make it what it was. Volunteer, work there, fight crime or get groups together to do that. Teach all the unemployed how to get off their duffs and clean the city. Make it a proud place again. But, to defend it as it is just shows ignorance, not positive movement. Most of all, learn to live together...get over the "yours, mine and ours" and leave that in the playground.
This post is sickening. "ours" "yours" Just plain ignorant and an embarrassment to any and all Detroiters with any class. Do NOT cry "RACE" when you are encouraging it yourself. NEWSFLASH: Detroit is part of a bigger whole called Michigan. Detroit is neither "yours" nor "mine" and the sooner you and any of your followers get with that, the sooner Detroit can mend. Who cares who needs who, for God's sake? How stupid is that argument? You are living in the state of Michigan of which Detroit is a city in. Get over it.
I never cried 'race' here, I tell people to be as honest as possible. TBH, I don't care what white people think. Some black people still care too much what you guys think, to me you can be as racist as adolf hitler it don't matter.
Funny point, just about a week ago I saw this old man tearing into this young boy for acting like a thug. This young boy sells weed to some white people who cruise through the neighborhood. Maybe he even sells dope, I don't really know. Anyway, the old man was saying those white boys buying think he's less than dog**** (he went on and on about them earning legit money while he was just hustling out of the hood and they no way respect him) as IF that's the reason not to sell What the white man thinks. I had to butt in and tell the young boy there were many reasons to stop but what the white boys he sells to think shouldn't be one of them. He shouldn't give a **** about them and the only reason he shouldn't sell them cherries or take what they got right there is they're golden geese coming back to lay more eggs.
In other words, you can stay right where you are I really don't give a ****
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). Therefore it is only natural for people to point out the obvious to the deniers.
