Should I come to Detroit (Royal Oak, Hamtramck: rent, hotel, university)

[Brother WilliamX]

To answer your questions:::
1. Yes, my family left Detroit because blacks moved in, which is perfectly acceptable. People move out of neighborhoods for a variety of reasons. If you don't like the people that start moving in then it's time to start moving out. That is the number one reason that just about everyone I know that left Detroit did so. Blacks moved in. And it's not just that blacks moved in because if they did and they were hard working people that took care of their homes and helped keep the neighborhood safe it wouldn't be an issue. But that's not the case. With them they bring crime, low expectations, low education, unruly kids, drugs, etc.

Also I see you included other bullchit excuses to move, and one thing about it you is a opened voiced racist. Now how is anyone who live in Detroit suppose to feel about your remark? and not say nothing back to you? What you NEED to do is STOP blaming Blacks, and accept the fact that WE learned how to steal,kill,cheat,and do other things from people like you.

Just so happen that in the Community organization that I am involved in over 1/4 is White, and before anyone can join they must come before our mixed Executive board. One of the questions that is asked is.......How do you feel about racism?, and they state that they are against people in their own race who discriminate. Plus they go on to say that everyone is equal in the sight of GOD, and this unequal crap is man made..I agree.

Unruly Kids? Well I be damn Red, I guess white kids are not unruly huh Red? Guess what? I am going to withdraw myself from debating about if Detroit is good or bad,but I am going to express my opinions (positive or negative), and if you or anyone else can't accept that...to bad.

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by Brother WilliamX

To answer your questions:::
1. Yes, my family left Detroit because blacks moved in, which is perfectly acceptable. People move out of neighborhoods for a variety of reasons. If you don't like the people that start moving in then it's time to start moving out. That is the number one reason that just about everyone I know that left Detroit did so. Blacks moved in. And it's not just that blacks moved in because if they did and they were hard working people that took care of their homes and helped keep the neighborhood safe it wouldn't be an issue. But that's not the case. With them they bring crime, low expectations, low education, unruly kids, drugs, etc.

Also I see you included other bullchit excuses to move, and one thing about it you is a opened voiced racist. Now how is anyone who live in Detroit suppose to feel about your remark? and not say nothing back to you? What you NEED to do is STOP blaming Blacks, and accept the fact that WE learned how to steal,kill,cheat,and do other things from people like you.

Just so happen that in the Community organization that I am involved in over 1/4 is White, and before anyone can join they must come before our mixed Executive board. One of the questions that is asked is.......How do you feel about racism?, and they state that they are against people in their own race who discriminate. Plus they go on to say that everyone is equal in the sight of GOD, and this unequal crap is man made..I agree.

Unruly Kids? Well I be damn Red, I guess white kids are not unruly huh Red? Guess what? I am going to withdraw myself from debating about if Detroit is good or bad,but I am going to express my opinions (positive or negative), and if you or anyone else can't accept that...to bad.

You just now caught on that I'm racist? Most people are, it's just that most won't admit it. I've been open about it all along. I didn't start out with bad feelings toward blacks, I learned it from watching the ones I came in contact with, the one that make the newspapers, television, etc. They are the ones that influenced my opinion on them. I have no problem with racism. People like or dislike people based upon many different factors and race/color/religion are just one of them. I see it as no big deal, just one more thing to not like someone. Many people claim to not be racist because it's so taboo to admit it. But deep inside most of us are.

No, I agree white kids can be unruly, but I find black kids to be far more so. They have foul mouths, don't respect the law, the land or anything else. They are trouble.

I think I'll just stop responding to this cra p. We have to agree to disagree. You make excuses for the behavior of the blacks of Detroit (like saying they learned their bad behavior from people like me - not hardly). I say that the uneducated and low achieving blacks in Detroit are the ones making the city bad. Let's leave it at that.

[Brother WilliamX]

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

You just now caught on that I'm racist? Most people are, it's just that most won't admit it. I've been open about it all along. I didn't start out with bad feelings toward blacks, I learned it from watching the ones I came in contact with, the one that make the newspapers, television, etc. They are the ones that influenced my opinion on them. I have no problem with racism. People like or dislike people based upon many different factors and race/color/religion are just one of them. I see it as no big deal, just one more thing to not like someone. Many people claim to not be racist because it's so taboo to admit it. But deep inside most of us are.

No, I agree white kids can be unruly, but I find black kids to be far more so. They have foul mouths, don't respect the law, the land or anything else. They are trouble.

I think I'll just stop responding to this cra p. We have to agree to disagree. You make excuses for the behavior of the blacks of Detroit (like saying they learned their bad behavior from people like me - not hardly). I say that the uneducated and low achieving blacks in Detroit are the ones making the city bad. Let's leave it at that.

Okay lets leave it YOUR WAY to avoid you getting roasted, but I am a prime example that life is how you make it, and at the age of 54 I earned my Associates degree,earned a B.A at 56, and now working on my Masters in Human Services.

I posted this to prove to you that you are one negative thinking individual, and to show you there is Blacks who went from the streets to being a professional. In closing, You do have a funky azz attitude, and its your racist behavior that projects hate. Well Mr GREAT WHITE HOPE since its the uneducated and low achieving Blacks are the ones making the city bad, tell me what have you DID to make the problem better? Now I rest MY case.

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by Brother WilliamX

Okay lets leave it YOUR WAY to avoid you getting roasted, but I am a prime example that life is how you make it, and at the age of 54 I earned my Associates degree,earned a B.A at 56, and now working on my Masters in Human Services.

I posted this to prove to you that you are one negative thinking individual, and to show you there is Blacks who went from the streets to being a professional. In closing, You do have a funky azz attitude, and its your racist behavior that projects hate. Well Mr GREAT WHITE HOPE since its the uneducated and low achieving Blacks are the ones making the city bad, tell me what have you DID to make the problem better? Now I rest MY case.

I'm very happy to hear what you have done with your life and education. As you can see, you are not the type of black person that I'm referring to then when I speak of those who are low achieving and uneducated. So go ahead and knock the chip off your shoulder as you pat yourself on the back.

I do believe that some blacks have the ability to do what you have done. I think most could if they wanted to, but they don't choose to. They would rather act like gangsters or rappers than to act like educated professionals.

And just for the record, I'm not a "mr."... I'm a white woman who also holds a college degree and a professional career.

What did I do to make the problems in Detroit better? Leave, like the rest of the white people. It's not on my to fix their problems. If they can't help themselves than I don't believe others should help them. I believe in this life we all make our own destiny and a lot of people have low expectations, that's not my problem to fix. The only reason I said we should end the discussion is because I've seen this before - someone gets upset and throws a fit. I'm totally open for debate, but others usually end up crying to the moderators. I'd rather avoid that if possible.

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

What did I do to make the problems in Detroit better? Leave, like the rest of the white people. It's not on my to fix their problems. If they can't help themselves than I don't believe others should help them. I believe in this life we all make our own destiny and a lot of people have low expectations, that's not my problem to fix.

Well, if everyone in this nation had this sort of opinion, then how could any urban city center ever hope to rebound? Do you honestly believe that Philadelphia, Camden, Newark, Gary, Detroit, The Bronx, etc. are all destined to remain crime-infested slums forever? There are some college-educated individiuals amongst us nationwide who plan to relocate from the suburbs into troubled urban centers to rehabilitate blighted homes, raise our families, and establish our own businesses. I can tell you that crime occurs everywhere. I happen to live in an upscale area on the Scranton fringes, and so far in life I've had $200 in cash stolen from my wallet, my cell phone swiped, was shoved to the ground once for my sexual orientation, and one of our neighbor's homes was burglarized a few years ago. Meanwhile, I have acquaintances in Scranton, a blue-collar city of 75,000+, who were never the victims of any sort of crime. In this sense, sometimes the poshest of our suburban areas can also fall victim to "urban issues." You need to remain vigilant everywhere you go, whether it be Grosse Pointe or Downtown Detroit.

If we all looked at the plight of others and said "that's not my problem," then how would society have ever progressed to the point where it is today. I'm a firm believer that those of us who have the resources, talent, and ambition to make positive change should step up to the plate and do so for the betterment of their communities. We're all given varying levels of intelligence and born into various socio-economic conditions; you can't just look at the poor blacks in Detroit and say "too bad for them" before rounding the corner of your Ann Arbor cul-de-sac and pulling into the driveway of your McMansion. We've become a selfish "me first" nation, and this is a trend we truly need to steer away from. Those of us who have ideas to improve our neighborhoods need to become leaders and advocates for positive change.

Say what you will about Southeastern Michigan, but it can only be prosperous again if its core city is vibrant. I can't think of one American city that has a decrepit inner core and economically-vibrant surroundings. If you want Metro Motown to bounce back, then you need to start at the very core of the issue---Detroit itself! Running away from Detroit's problems, in essence, is doing nothing but compounding them even further! Don't you all want a brighter Detroit for your offspring?

[The Icy River Vagabond]

Yes, Detroit will stay that way. Detroit is differant in that the suburbs don't need it economiclly at all. The suburbs have been fine for 40 years without it. Detroit is different. If you do any sort of real research on the problems that Detroit has you will see that. Detroit will stay the way it is. It is not like the Bronx, It is not like Philadelphia. Gary, Camden, and Newark are much smaller and basicly suburbs themselves. I'm glad that you think you know what you are talking about. But you don't. Scranton is not anything like Detroit. I don't think you can conjure Detroit.

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by The Icy River Vagabond

Yes, Detroit will stay that way. Detroit is differant in that the suburbs don't need it economiclly at all. The suburbs have been fine for 40 years without it. Detroit is different. If you do any sort of real research on the problems that Detroit has you will see that. Detroit will stay the way it is. It is not like the Bronx, It is not like Philadelphia. Gary, Camden, and Newark are much smaller and basicly suburbs themselves. I'm glad that you think you know what you are talking about. But you don't. Scranton is not anything like Detroit. I don't think you can conjure Detroit.

Amen, thank you! And again, the people of Detroit made it the dump it is. It is not my problem or the problem of those in the suburbs to go clean it up and fix it. Those people need to take initiative to clean it up and make it a better place themselves. They are the ones that took a big dump on the city, let them fix it. Why should we run and rescue them from THEMSELVES??? No thanks, I have better things to do with my time, energy and money. They made their criminal half burned down beds, now they can lay in it if they aren't smart enough to do something about it to change it.

[so-cal]

Kind of funny that no one has mentioned the weather. The pits. You want music and grunge, go to Seattle (take an umbrella), you want great bars and restaurants and want to stay in the midwest, hit Chicago, you want culture, get to New York, forget L.A. altogether, if you have lots of money, San Francisco is your town. But for goodness sake, don't waste your time in Detroit.

[jetsjoe]

So-Cal. I assume your from the bubble of So Cal. It may be a waste of time to YOU to be in Detroit, but there are some, including natives where it is not. For people who grew up there, have family there, enjoy Detroit and/or the beautiful suburbs including well-to-do Oakland County will spend there time there.

As far as the weather, some actually enjoy a season besides heat. Some enjoy the snow. From what I have heard, some on the "Cali' boards, people aren't flocking to the overpriced, sometimes ridiculas lifestyle of the plastic in "So Cal".

[Daniel_T]

Hey everyone, thanks for the replies. I booked my trip to Detroit today. I will be coming from the 18th-21st of April, 2007. I will be staying at the Milner hotel. Kinda freaked out about it. In a good way though. Not sure what to expect from Detroit. Looking forward to seeing it. Would anyone suggest walking up Woodward during the day from Downtown to Wayne state? Is that dangerous? Should I walk around downtown D at night? I wouldn't think so, but I still want to have a little fun? Anyone know of any tours that go around Detroit and show off the different sections of the city? that would be fun.

Where are some cool places to eat and visit? Is it hard to get to the suburbs without a car? Are taxies okay? I appreciate all your responses.

Daniel True