Birmingham and the snob factor............ (Detroit, Royal Oak: middle-class, real estate market, rental)

[keraT]

Originally Posted by belleislerunner

This map should give you a good indicator. If you zoom in to the dark browns - you'll see the highest zip codes by income.

Raw Data: Michigan ZIP codes with the highest average adjusted gross income | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

From that map you'll see: (IN NO SPECIFIC ORDER)

1) Downtown Detroit
2) Grosse Pointes
3) Grosse Ille
4) Northville
5) West Bloomfield
6) Bloomfield Hills
7) Birmingham
8) Oakland Twp
9) Sections of Farmington Hills
10) Troy
.

It is interesting how much of the conversation about "rich area" always revolves around Bloomfield Hills and Birmingham yet they didn't make the top 5 list. I am surprise by Northville being so high and same with Grosse Ille (I always thought it was some crazy island for "rich wanna be" people to live in, guess I was wrong they aren't "wanna be")

[djmilf]

If you look closely, you'll note that belleislerunner did say that the list isn't ordered.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by keraT

It is interesting how much of the conversation about "rich area" always revolves around Bloomfield Hills and Birmingham yet they didn't make the top 5 list. I am surprise by Northville being so high and same with Grosse Ille (I always thought it was some crazy island for "rich wanna be" people to live in, guess I was wrong they aren't "wanna be")

Zip codes don't always correspond with communities that people think of as rich areas. Some zip codes are huge and have a lot of wealth concentrated in one area, while the rest might be just upper middle class.

[citylover89]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfanboy

Who cares honestly. And as somebody who just moved back to Michigan (for a temporary basis) after a decade in a major west coast city, I can say first hand that these small pockets of wealth in metro Detroit don't even compare to what I've seen out west and much of the mid-atlantic and New England. Not even in the same stratosphere.

I'm noticing a trend..anyone who tells the truth on this forum is labeled a troll . What Bimmerfanboy said is correct. There are pockets of wealth everywhere including Michigan but the majority of wealthy people live on the West and East coasts. Going off of the responses you would think Michiganders can't handle reality...wait a minute

[animatedmartian]

Originally Posted by citylover89

I'm noticing a trend..anyone who tells the truth on this forum is labeled a troll . What Bimmerfanboy said is correct. There are pockets of wealth everywhere including Michigan but the majority of wealthy people live on the West and East coasts. Going off of the responses you would think Michiganders can't handle reality...wait a minute

Of course, there's nothing in this thread that remotely bears any relevance to anywhere else other than the mention suburb in the thread title. Whatever 'truth' is being stated about Michigan is completely irrelevant to the point of the thread.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by citylover89

I'm noticing a trend..anyone who tells the truth on this forum is labeled a troll . What Bimmerfanboy said is correct. There are pockets of wealth everywhere including Michigan but the majority of wealthy people live on the West and East coasts. Going off of the responses you would think Michiganders can't handle reality...wait a minute

Well no citylover89, bimmerfanboy was trolling because every one of his posts in every Michigan thread was just complaining about how bad Michigan was. It's just trolling and trying to bait people into fights. He was essentially saying the discussion was pointless. In essence I was giving him a soft warning.

If you think that people in the Michigan or Detroit forums do not discuss the "truth" enough, then you haven't been on here very long. Let me know if you need any other assistance with forum definitions.

[MS313]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfanboy

Who cares honestly. And as somebody who just moved back to Michigan (for a temporary basis) after a decade in a major west coast city, I can say first hand that these small pockets of wealth in metro Detroit don't even compare to what I've seen out west and much of the mid-atlantic and New England. Not even in the same stratosphere.

I agree and disagree. We all know the majority of the wealth is on the coast. But Detroit still has it's fair share of wealth. According to this number of millionaires chart Looking for Millionaires? Try These U.S. Cities. - Total Return - WSJ the only cities with a similar size of Detroit that have alot more millionaires are SF and DC. The other two cities similar to Detroit's size (Philly and Boston) are only slightly higher. It seems that Detroit's "small pockets" do quite well for itself considering it's a relatively low COL blue collar city. It's actually quite impressive. Adjust that for COL and you only need to have $541,268.95 in Detroit to live like your have $1,000,000 in SF.


But your right... who cares if the coast has more rich people? (despite it's inflated COL and shameful income gap). Most people in Metro Detroit could care less about how many pockets of wealth are on the coast.

[usroute10]

Originally Posted by citylover89

I'm noticing a trend..anyone who tells the truth on this forum is labeled a troll . What Bimmerfanboy said is correct. There are pockets of wealth everywhere including Michigan but the majority of wealthy people live on the West and East coasts. Going off of the responses you would think Michiganders can't handle reality...wait a minute

What about Miami/Fort Lauderdale and Atlanta and all of those cities in Texas (Houston, Austin, Dallas), and Phoenix. What about Colorado, with Denver and all of those exclusive mountain/skiing communities like Aspen. Very, very wealthy people live in those places as well!

There is lot of wealth in Chicago and Minneapolis-St. Paul, too. I think the Twin Cities have more than 10 Fortune 500 Companies (Target, 3M, General Mills, etc).

And if there is no wealth in Southeastern Michigan, how can all of these people afford boats and houses "up north" on some of the 10,000 lakes that are in Michigan?

You can see wealth and mansions in Franklin, Bingham Farms, Birmingham, Royal Oak, Bloomfield (township, city, hills), 4 of the Grosse Pointes, Oakland Township, Rochester, Rochester Hills, Orchard Lakes and all of those Oakland County "Lake Communities", Plymouth (city and township) Dearborn (Michigan Ave and Telegraph), Northville, Novi, Canton, Grosse Isle, St. Clair Shores , and even Detroit (Boston-Edison, Indian Village, Palmer Woods and Joseph Berry Subdivision)

[magellan]

Originally Posted by MS313

I agree and disagree. We all know the majority of the wealth is on the coast. But Detroit still has it's fair share of wealth. According to this number of millionaires chart Looking for Millionaires? Try These U.S. Cities. - Total Return - WSJ the only cities with a similar size of Detroit that have alot more millionaires are SF and DC. The other two cities similar to Detroit's size (Philly and Boston) are only slightly higher. It seems that Detroit's "small pockets" do quite well for itself considering it's a relatively low COL blue collar city. It's actually quite impressive. Adjust that for COL and you only need to have $541,268.95 in Detroit to live like your have $1,000,000 in SF.


But your right... who cares if the coast has more rich people? (despite it's inflated COL and shameful income gap). Most people in Metro Detroit could care less about how many pockets of wealth are on the coast.

Well the wealth on the coasts doesn't even come close to comparing to the wealth of the Saudi family, or the Chinese and Russian aristocracy. I mean, why talk about wealth or poverty at all because there's always someone who has more or who has less. What's the point of having these discussions at all. Why even have an online forum at all.

As I said, ignore the trolls.

[Arthur Digby Sellers]

To me, "snob factor" regarding a city is constant bragging as if residence there were a status symbol. In my experience, Birmingham residents are the second worst offenders in the state behind only Grosse Pointe residents. Most Birmingham and Grosse Pointe residents can't tell you quick enough about where they live.