I am so tired of this sterotype on the city (Detroit: section 8, renters)

[Blue Grass Fever]

Originally Posted by scoolin

Detroit is an industrial town that is going to hurt because of high oil, and the leaving of manufacturing to over seas places. Hey look up at least you can sell your machinery to china. LOL

Lots of old machinery like old pressing stamps from the 40's and 50's are being scrapped for a very good chunk of change. Those old machines weigh alot and are quite a valuable metal commodity.

I used to work on one of those things that made metal oil caps for Ford. Dang thing was huge.

There is an actual company (one that i know of..) that does just this; move the machinery around to the scrapyard or elsewhere.

[detshen]

"The difference between some other posters on that thread and me, is that I was putting the daughter's safety first, and the others were putting Detroit's reputation first. "

No, that is not true and it's absurd. I stated my sincere belief that her daughter will be safe in the WSU area. I lived down there myself. I know the area and have seen and experienced the police presence. I know what it's like to live in the area, you do not. You were IMAGINING and posting ideas about possible gang rapes because it COULD happen , well anything could happen, she could get into an accident driving to the suburbs(much more likely than your scenario), she could have a roofie dropped in her drink in Royal Oak, she could be stabbed in her Troy apartment by her jealous boyfriend. I would never put the reputation of Detroit over someone's life. My parent's was just fine with me living down there because they knew the area and were able to look at things rationally.


"I stopped posting over there when someone answered that she or he "hoped if people saw a girl getting abducted they would at least honk their horns" Yep, that will sure help!! "

You just took that completely out of context and everyone who read the thread knows it. The abduction is IMAGINED anyway.

[downthathighway]

[quote=Sunvixen;2930218]

Originally Posted by downthathighway

Point taken ! I once was trying to tell a worried father that Wayne State is THE safest area for a student in Detroit also. Reason- strong police presence, they have their own police.
And yet someone cut in with extreme criticism of Detroit as a whole, not accepting there are some(very few though) safe areas in Detroit. Areas with visible police such as Wayne State, Downtown and GreekTown.
Though I hope he can consider the source and disregard those posts, so loaded with hatred and racial tension.

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Um, I am getting pretty tired of this. I tried to let this go. All I did what any decent person would do, I gave someone concerned about their daughter an honest opinion. I am still allowed to have my opinion. If I had been telling them falsehoods, that would be different, but I acknowledged that the campus areas were some of the safest inside the city. Everything is relative. Nothing you say or criticize ME for saying is going to change the fact that at least 85% of the city is ghetto.

You know, it's almost as if some people BLAME people like me for the troubles of the city! I am only pointing them out. I didn't create them!! Blame, blame, blame...never fix.


One of you inferred that I was Racist, which is not true, so I INCLUDED VIDEOS OF BLACK DETROITERS, calling the city of Detroit a TOTAL GUTTER, saying it was horrible, talking about all the crime and the filth, saying that street Prostitution was prevalent in every single corner of Detroit. Talking about the illegals arms trade, even saying that "if you want a grenade, we (Detroit) got it!!" .

None of you seemed to comment on that video except to bash ME for posting the videos!! Why is that?


Another video was also made BY Detroiters and it started with a warning to people coming to Detroit "If you give us half a chance, boy, we gonna kill you" and was basically laughing at anybody that didn't "get that concept."


I answered a question from a parent about their child living by campus. I NEVER said that either WSU or CCS was dangerous.

What I did say, and I DID back-up with stats and videos(which is more than I can say for anybody who criticized me, even though I suggested someone do that) is that if the daughter LIVED by campus, she would be SURROUNED by miles and miles of VERY UNSAFE neighborhoods and if she ever has to travel at night, that is what she would travel through. I NEVER said that it was a bad idea for her to attend during the day. I said that if it was MY daughter I would look for apts in cities such as Troy, which is TRUE. I would sleep better knowing she was in a safer area.


Also, I didn't say anything bad about downtown until NOW: Two women I work with have had their purses stolen off their arms in Greektown in the last couple months. I KNOW all cities have that problem, so I didn't bring it up, but it isn't actually right to say that Greektown is SUPER safe either. Wasn't it just last yr that they found that woman's dead body in the Second BaptistChurch right on Monroe? I go to Greektown at least twice a week, so don't label me as somebody from the burbs making this up. I love Greektown.


I also happened to mention that while everybody was saying how wonderfully safe WSU was, that female apt manager got stabbed to death in her apt just a few days ago.


The difference between some other posters on that thread and me, is that I was putting the daughter's safety first, and the others were putting Detroit's reputation first.


I stopped posting over there when someone answered that she or he "hoped if people saw a girl getting abducted they would at least honk their horns" Yep, that will sure help!!


Some people that try to sell a positive image of Detroit remind me of really bad used-car salespeople. The car can be falling apart from rust, have engine trouble, be unsafe to drive, get 9 miles to the gallon and they will say "Yes, but the seats are SOOOO comfortable!!! Just sit in it for a minute, you'll see!!!!!"

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[and the]

Detroit is an industrial town that is going to hurt because of high oil, and the leaving of manufacturing to over seas places. Hey look up at least you can sell your machinery to china. LOL

Ford can sell machines to the Russians and only have to move them a couple hundred yards to another building....

[Sunvixen]

Originally Posted by Slappy san

And you were totally shut down and exposed in the that thread. And here you go with the over top bolding, emotcons and capitalization (lot less thank you) yet again. And also continue to pick up certain sentences that you think help you point.

I advise anyone to check out that thread so that you too can dismiss this poster as a troll.

This coming from the person who suggested people honk their horns?


If you think I am a troll, go read my post on the "Why does every mayor of Detroit have to be guilty of something?" thread. The one from Feb 22, at 8:01 pm.

I was not "shut down," I am not 8 yrs old. I said what I had to say. I get on here when I have some time, I don't sit and wait for replies. I have a busy life. Stop trying to spin things like Kwame.


You call me a "troll" because you disagree with me and because I use bold type and because I use stats from the FBI...? Wow. LOL!!

Maybe you don't like my posts because they are TRUE, and I happen to post links and stats and videos to BACK UP my argument, and you don't seem to do that. I find that quite interesting. Why is that?


Oh, PLEEEEEEASE do go check it out! Thank you, I was HOPING somebody would mention that! It is the "Safe places to live close to Wayne State" thread. Page 2. Several videos from real Detroiters are on there too.


Slappy, once AGAIN, all you do it criticize me because you can't find anything to support your own claims.

Please, don't take it personally if I don't respond to you within minutes or hours or the next day. I do get busy. I'd hate for you to have hurt feelings. And as I get older I seem to find less and less time to be drawn in to conversations with people who do not try and look at the actual information, but instead try and use spin to take away from the REAL issues.


So what are you doing, Slappy? Hmmm? Are you trying to BULLY me? If you are, that is not very nice. Do you want to shut me (and some others) up because our views are not the same as yours. Why don't you spend less time labeling us, and more time trying to find some facts to back-up YOUR positions?

Hmmm?

Don't you think that would be a better use of your time? God bless you, Slappy. Have a grrrreat day!

[and the]

The Butcher Shop- If the one I'm thinking of, 20 or more years ago, run by Robertson's. Wasn't that a 'contract job' of some sort, no robbery?

I've heard both angles on that one. But nevertheless, even if it was a drug hit, what do you think would happen to you if you happened to be there buying your city chicken at the time? How often do you hear of people being robbed and being shot after totally cooperating with the bad guy? Often enough for me not to assume I'm OK if I just "check it in" as ordered. I never try to convince anyone to carry a gun if it's not for them, but I know it's right for me. I would have been at least robbed, if not shot on more than one occasion while walking late at night. I guess the answer is to not walk late at night, but I have just as much right to be out as the hold-up man does and I didn't give up holding my little corner of Detroit until my new wife said "We're outta here" after a homicide down the street.

Another story: 80+ year-old woman was found dead in her house years ago down the street from a relative of mine. She was coming back from either bingo or an altar society meeting at St. Christopher. I believe she was the treasurer. Someone followed her home, robbed her and killed her in her own home. Might have raped her too, I can't remember. It's one thing to see these things on the news, but when you have as many personal connections to these types of homicides as I do/did...well, the answer was plain to me.

As far as catching the animals responsible? I believe the DPD has about a 30% clearance rate for homicides right now.

Ohhh...also, I suggest that the I.R.S. start looking into all the Pastors and churches who support candidates. That is HIGHLY illegal and it seems that Detroit has gotten a free pass on that one for years. It's about time that the churches stop receiving TAX-EMEMPT status. If the churches want to stay tax exempt, let them stay out of politics, like the laws say!

I've often wondered about that myself. I used to vote at Carver school. Last time I voted there, a bunch of people came in from a church bus. The Reverend was going from booth to booth showing all the old ladies how to vote.

[Sunvixen]

[quote=downthathighway;2930788]

Originally Posted by Sunvixen

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Oh, my gosh, did you just SWEAR at me? Really?

Wow, I better run away, I am so frightened! Just joking, buddy!

There is no need to get that angry just because I am right on SO many points. It's just a lil' old message board for Heaven's sake, please don't let it affect your blood pressure!!

Maybe you should go take a nice hot bath and put on some soft music and relax for a while. Have a light supper and watch some TV. Doesn't that sound wonderful? I may check back tomorrow if I get time, please let me know if you are doing better, OK? Take care now, be well and God bless you.

[Sunvixen]

Originally Posted by and the

I've heard both angles on that one. But nevertheless, even if it was a drug hit, what do you think would happen to you if you happened to be there buying your city chicken at the time? How often do you hear of people being robbed and being shot after totally cooperating with the bad guy? Often enough for me not to assume I'm OK if I just "check it in" as ordered. I never try to convince anyone to carry a gun if it's not for them, but I know it's right for me. I would have been at least robbed, if not shot on more than one occasion while walking late at night. I guess the answer is to not walk late at night, but I have just as much right to be out as the hold-up man does and I didn't give up holding my little corner of Detroit until my new wife said "We're outta here" after a homicide down the street.

Another story: 80+ year-old woman was found dead in her house years ago down the street from a relative of mine. She was coming back from either bingo or an altar society meeting at St. Christopher. I believe she was the treasurer. Someone followed her home, robbed her and killed her in her own home. Might have raped her too, I can't remember. It's one thing to see these things on the news, but when you have as many personal connections to these types of homicides as I do/did...well, the answer was plain to me.

As far as catching the animals responsible? I believe the DPD has about a 30% clearance rate for homicides right now.



I've often wondered about that myself. I used to vote at Carver school. Last time I voted there, a bunch of people came in from a church bus. The Reverend was going from booth to booth showing all the old ladies how to vote.

Very insightful post "and the."

I still have a few relatives that refuse to be pushed out of their neighborhoods.

One is near St John Hospital and it seems like as every month passes, the crime in the immediate area doubles. I am happy that at least my Uncles has a permit to carry a gun and does so almost all the time. My aunt works late and if it weren't for my uncle getting up to greet her when she pulls up the drive, I don't know what would happen. The home next door stood empty for years and was recently bought and is now rented to a drug family. My aunt contacted the landlord and the police, but nothing is being done. I am actually MORE afraid now, in case they find out she called. They have a German Shepherd and must now keep it inside the house ALL the time because the small drug-house's children throw stones at him from their yard.

My aunt and uncle have the most beautiful, well cared for home and it sickens me to see what they have to go through. We are trying to convince them to move, but they have lived there for over 30 years.

I keep telling them it's not worth it. They have to live like THEY are in JAIL!!! For what? For working hard and taking care of their house? So far, they have only had two basement windows broken out, but they had bars from the inside, plus the dog. They are getting glass blocks put in later this week.

My husband and I BOTH have a permit to carry and I certainly do so when I visit them. To think that just a few years ago the whole family would go to their house for backyard parties. Last summer, the druggies let their grass grow 3 ft high and it is so FULL of dog poo from their Pitt Bull and Rottweiler, you can't even sit out in back on warm days if you wanted to.

The "mom" at the drug house is actually a very friendly woman. I chat with her, but she seems unable to control her children and their friends. I think she is simply "high" too much of the time to care. She admitted she knows they sell drugs out of there, but told me not to worry, that she'll "make sure her kids don't bother my auntie."

I'm not sure that makes me feel all that much better. It's really great to pull up in the drive and get out and say hello only to have 14 young adults sitting on their steps just stare back at you, like they don't understand English.

[detshen]

[quote=Sunvixen;2931003]

Originally Posted by downthathighway

Oh, my gosh, did you just SWEAR at me? Really?

Wow, I better run away, I am so frightened! Just joking, buddy!

There is no need to get that angry just because I am right on SO many points. It's just a lil' old message board for Heaven's sake, please don't let it affect your blood pressure!!

Maybe you should go take a nice hot bath and put on some soft music and relax for a while. Have a light supper and watch some TV. Doesn't that sound wonderful? I may check back tomorrow if I get time, please let me know if you are doing better, OK? Take care now, be well and God bless you.

Why do I sense the answer is to all the posts is in this one?

"I am right on SO many points."

-I feel that you need to prove yourself right? I was putting the girl's safety and her quality of life first, I was able to do that because I was her in the past. I had a safe and happy college experience that I would wish for any young student. You were a commuter student with no real knowledge of living down there, you really have no idea.

-I think downthathighway's blood pressure will be just fine.

-Here is the part about the grocery store that you have taken so out of context in an attempt to prove yourself right.

-exerpt from Sloppy san's post, that was written in answer to your IMAGINED grocery store abduction:

"A young girl can be grabbed at any grocery store if someone is determined. The parking lot for the market and shops near campus is not very big and is decently busy. I hope that if some loon decided to abduct her that some of the people coming out of the shops in the center next to the grocery store would say something. If not that....I hope that one of the people coming down Warren or the service drive for the freeway would at least honk their horn. Also...the grocery store didn't stay open that late when I shopped their several times a month."

He didn't say people would ONLY honk their horn if this IMAGINARY abduction were to take place, he was just answering to this idea about an abduction that isn't likely to happen.

[MittenDweller82]

Go anywhere in this country, ANYWHERE, the moment you disclose that you live close to Detroit it is instant laughter and affirmation of crime statistics and murder rates. All is a joke when you talk to this stranger but the sad truth is, the people of the city need to care before anything is going to happen in a positive manner. Decades of corruption among police and government, squandering of money and resources, and a public body who could care less about anything but finding the next dollar to buy food. The stereotype will be there for decades more, or until the people of Detroit decide that they care more than just about themselves.