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Old 09-09-2018, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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So, one day, oil is just going to suddenly disappear and everyone is going to say "Oh ****, what do we do now?"

Maybe they will come of with other sources of energy. Maybe they will find other sources of oil.

Oh wait, they already have done both of those things.

It is far more likely we will quit using oil before we run out.
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Old 09-09-2018, 06:03 PM
 
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I simply cannot see the re-birth of Detroit, ever entirely. When Detroit, our city, was the center of
the auto universe, it was built.
We would have to see the birth of something terribly ingenious to make the city the 24 hr a day bustling shift city it once was. I would like to think it would be completely recovered but as a realist I have to see some sort of light at the end of the tunnel. Autonomous automobile? Nah. The competition is already out there , we won't have the exclusive right to it, and it does not necessarily have to be built here. It would have to be something really revolutionary ,once again, really groundbreaking and focus Detroit over China, economically. Something that no other country could produce just like before. In doing so raise the standard of living.....as Detroit once did for the entire country .
How else will the houses, vacant and in ruin all around downtown be all be fixed, the neighborhoods thriving, rebuilt? There is too much ground to cover, it is too big.
New Orleans was never completely rebuilt after hurricane Katrina. Salty water is creeping inland there and many houses are in ruin there too.No plan to rebuild everything is in the works.
There is nothing else I would like to see more. As far as our big cities is concerned. We need something
totally different, revolutionary, groundbreaking. But. From where? It would take an economical miracle.
There is always hope.
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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Strong families make strong cities. Yes, having "young professionals" helps, but is it REALLY a place you want to settle down and have children? The areas outside downtown are so heavily decayed. It would take a "new deal" like happened in the 1930's to tear down and rebuild. Private sector investment in downtown will never result in a full re-birth, it'll just put a veneer on the city. That's the physical aspect. More importantly Detroit needs a culture change, like Chicago and many other big cities. Less thug life and single parent families, and more people that really care about each other and their impact on society/the local community.

From my personal experience, Detroit is not enjoyable to visit. I've been to many big cities and street beggars normally don't bother me, but in Detroit they tend to follow you and don't take no for an answer. Not fun when you're trying to get to your car in a parking garage, and have a stranger following you over $1.

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Old 09-09-2018, 10:18 PM
 
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Yes, having "young professionals" helps, but is it REALLY a place you want to settle down and have children?
I'm not sure what this means.

With young professionals, you're getting educated people from all over the world that will bring a lot of bran power to solve problems as well as cultural diversity. On top of that, these individuals will have a ton of children of their own, which is critical for the long-term sustainability of a community when older generations pass on.

Why wouldn't anyone want to have them in their community and why wouldn't anyone want to settle down amongst them?
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Old 09-10-2018, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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Strong families make strong cities. Yes, having "young professionals" helps, but is it REALLY a place you want to settle down and have children? The areas outside downtown are so heavily decayed. It would take a "new deal" like happened in the 1930's to tear down and rebuild. Private sector investment in downtown will never result in a full re-birth, it'll just put a veneer on the city. That's the physical aspect. More importantly Detroit needs a culture change, like Chicago and many other big cities. Less thug life and single parent families, and more people that really care about each other and their impact on society/the local community.

From my personal experience, Detroit is not enjoyable to visit. I've been to many big cities and street beggars normally don't bother me, but in Detroit they tend to follow you and don't take no for an answer. Not fun when you're trying to get to your car in a parking garage, and have a stranger following you over $1.
I hate being a jerk like this, but your post is a mix of hyperbolical garbage and a 6 year old perspective on life.

I've literally never had a person repeatedly bother me over $1. Maybe once every other month when Downtown someone will ask me to spot them a bus fare and I'll say, "Sorry, I don't carry any cash." and they move on to bug someone else, and there are plenty of nice, stable neighborhoods within the City of Detroit that have families in them. This idea that Detroit is all either Glitzy Downtown or Blighted Northwest Goldberg is far from the truth, it's just that nobody ever ventures into the 7 Mile and Wyoming or Grand River and Fenkell, because they're boring, stable, residential neighborhoods. Instead everyone assumes "Two Detroits!" and then talks like this is the case, but it isn't.

Detroit is experiencing a culture change. Talk to any Detroit ER doctor and they'll tell you gunshot injuries are WAY down. Talk to police and they'll tell you about a changing culture in the department. Talk to residents and they'll tell you of neighborhood optimism. Detroit was messed up before the bankruptcy. The city couldn't afford to light itself and pick up trash. Lots of bad stuff happens when you can't run basic services. Things are looking up both in the city, and regionally. Couple that with the success of Wayne State University, Quicken Loans, Ford, GM and Tier-1 suppliers taking interest in the city, and the small to mid-sized companies moving into town from places like Midland, Southfield, Troy, the University of Michigan discussing a larger footprint within the city, and even some smaller operations from around the Midwest, Northeast, and Silicon Valley... The state of Detroit in 2018 and going forward is vastly different than what it was in 2013.
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Old 09-10-2018, 05:19 PM
 
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No doubt true. However, looking forward the entire country is in a far better place economically.
This doesn't mean that The City is out of a quagmire. Wax optimistic if you like at your pleasure my friend. Let us not gloss over what the overall condition of the city is. Let's hope that this economic input you write of is enough to regenerate Detroit.
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I hate being a jerk like this, but your post is a mix of hyperbolical garbage and a 6 year old perspective on life.

I've literally never had a person repeatedly bother me over $1. Maybe once every other month when Downtown someone will ask me to spot them a bus fare and I'll say, "Sorry, I don't carry any cash." and they move on to bug someone else, and there are plenty of nice, stable neighborhoods within the City of Detroit that have families in them. This idea that Detroit is all either Glitzy Downtown or Blighted Northwest Goldberg is far from the truth, it's just that nobody ever ventures into the 7 Mile and Wyoming or Grand River and Fenkell, because they're boring, stable, residential neighborhoods. Instead everyone assumes "Two Detroits!" and then talks like this is the case, but it isn't.

Detroit is experiencing a culture change. Talk to any Detroit ER doctor and they'll tell you gunshot injuries are WAY down. Talk to police and they'll tell you about a changing culture in the department. Talk to residents and they'll tell you of neighborhood optimism. Detroit was messed up before the bankruptcy. The city couldn't afford to light itself and pick up trash. Lots of bad stuff happens when you can't run basic services. Things are looking up both in the city, and regionally. Couple that with the success of Wayne State University, Quicken Loans, Ford, GM and Tier-1 suppliers taking interest in the city, and the small to mid-sized companies moving into town from places like Midland, Southfield, Troy, the University of Michigan discussing a larger footprint within the city, and even some smaller operations from around the Midwest, Northeast, and Silicon Valley... The state of Detroit in 2018 and going forward is vastly different than what it was in 2013.
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Old 09-11-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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1) Michigan was in the unique position of being the only state that was in a recession before the 2008 recession hit.

So, the fact that Detroit/Michigan is actually somewhat successful these days is a HUGE win, given where we started out at.

Nobody is suggesting that the situation is FANTASTIC, but we've hit bottom and we are on an upward curve. That's something to be excited and optimistic about.

2) Is it really true that the rest of the country is in a better place financially? I just don't buy that argument given that most people live on credit cards/debt and couldn't cover a $500 emergency expense in cash. It may look true that things are going well in the rest of the country, but we also know that a lot of American culture can be summed up by the word "fake".

3) Most of my college friends moved out of Michigan to find employment simply because there wasn't a lot of opportunity here during the '00's. So it's not too surprising that Detroit doesn't look like Denver or Seattle. That's not exactly a news flash.

4) Nobody is glossing over the challenges that the city still faces. Still, those of us who live around here can attest to the fact that the vibe in the city and towards the city has changed. I'm the first to admit....I've been converted to a Detroit supporter/fan.

5 years ago, you couldn't have paid me enough money to do anything in the city. I avoided it at all costs. I thought people were dumb for wanting to go downtown and do things because I had heard way too many horror stories and I, personally, didn't want to become a statistic. (Safety first!)

3 years ago, I reluctantly visited said that the city was an okay place to visit.

Now - I have a few places that I like to go in the city and want to explore more.

It's not just one thing that changed, but a lot of little things that have made a huge difference.

Everyone knows that the issues that Detroit faces aren't going away over night, but Detroit is really coming into its second act these days.

There's reason to be "cautiously optimistic". Culturally, it's really just sad that a lot of people (in the area/around the state) just don't want to see anything good that comes out of Detroit. So, they act as if Detroit is the same place as it was 5-10 years ago and that's simply not the case anymore.
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Old 09-11-2018, 01:14 PM
 
Location: 404
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3) Most of my college friends moved out of Michigan to find employment simply because there wasn't a lot of opportunity here during the '00's. So it's not too surprising that Detroit doesn't look like Denver or Seattle. That's not exactly a news flash.
College now is more money pit than career builder. Detroit's future is much more physical and skilled labor than desk jobs, like almost anywhere that has a future. The internet's massive electricity use will inevitably end it, so planning a career on it won't get far.


One career that currently requires many years of college and physical labor is veterinarian. The work animals that replace cars, trucks, and tractors in every town and farm make vet a rising field, especially in small towns where the vet is the backup doctor or the only person with any medical training. The path to becoming a vet is likely to be more apprenticeship than college, with some specialist training for a few vets.
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Old 09-11-2018, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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College now is more money pit than career builder. Detroit's future is much more physical and skilled labor than desk jobs, like almost anywhere that has a future. The internet's massive electricity use will inevitably end it, so planning a career on it won't get far.


One career that currently requires many years of college and physical labor is veterinarian. The work animals that replace cars, trucks, and tractors in every town and farm make vet a rising field, especially in small towns where the vet is the backup doctor or the only person with any medical training. The path to becoming a vet is likely to be more apprenticeship than college, with some specialist training for a few vets.
Look, I can get behind the impending catastrophic electric grid failure and our collective need to replace all cars and tractors with horses and donkeys, in every town... but... what do we do when the zombies come? Do you think they'll need public transit? And what if they don't want to live in the suburbs?
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Old 09-11-2018, 02:59 PM
 
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It's a question of how many people can live on the local food supply. Decades of industrial pollution, salted roads, and other acts of recklessness have decreased that capacity. The shipping traffic can bring some food, but in trade. We can't make enough of anything for that much food. Everywhere else will also have people to feed. Without oil, Detroit is just a river town.
I don't know why you're talking this way about a city whose central "crater" is rapidly being converted to even more farmland than the state already has -- and there was already plenty, believe me. Detroit doesn't need to "import" food! A lot of the startups in Detroit right now are restaurants being supplied by local farms built on abandoned family neighborhoods, producing everything from zucchini to goat cheese. As far as food exports, Michigan produces a great deal of local sugar beets (also used as stock feed), corn (ditto), apples, beets, potatoes, parsnips, sunflowers, raspberries, strawberries, blueberries, greens, cabbage, turnips, chickens -- anything that grows well in Zone 5.
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