What can be done to improve Detroit? (Hamtramck, Caro: house, rent)

[Sociologist]

Step 1. Blow up the entire city
Step 2. Level
Step 3. Consult new government, city planners, engineers, etc
Step 4. Build new

[reconmark]

Join Date: Jan 2007
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Detriot memories

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Originally Posted by RedWingsFan
Yeah, they need time to burn the other half of the homes on their own block down....

I'm sure I'm not the only one on here that's tired of your self serving rants about "them" or how they ruined everything about Detroit.

The thread was titled "your Detroit Memories" not let's get back on them and how they destroyed everything and race hate thread.

Now it's been said that you have given certain members of this board web sites specific to white supremacy, KKK, and Ayran Nation, and other hate groups. You can hate anyone you want including myself, even though you have never met me I'm black.

I can't help that you would refuse to admit any complicity in the state of affairs in the se mi area and that more than likely you have close family and friends who lived here in previous generations who helped create and maintain the hatred and segregation that has come to be se mi's greatest infamous legacy.

If a white person says they are moving to or have questions about detroit, you are the first one to start immediately bashing, stereotyping, and blaming blacks for every historical fault with the city, are you afraid that a white person who dosen't have your hatred and ignorance would come here and live w/o incident and thus start to erode just a little of the hysteria you throw around?

If you are a white supremist then just admit it and give everyone who reads your posts a chance to see where your real motivations and views stem from.

Again, if you choose to hate me because I'm black, I can live with that; because unfortunately some people choose to hate no matter what.

The truly sad part is that I have to tell my children who are all under 6yoa that sometimes people aren't going to like them because their skin is dark, I've also taught them that no one else is inheritly more intelligent, moral, or valuable than the are, and to accept and judge all people based on how they treat you and if they mistreat you be a better person and don't return hate with hate. I have to tell them these things because there are still people like you who would think and have everyone else around you think the worse of them simply because of their complections.

Mixed and bi-racial couples have to ask is it safe for their children in certain cities and areas not because of crime but because people like you live in the community, and would spew your toxic verbaige to anyone misguided enough to lend you an ear.

My question to you is this, is your racism going to die with you when you pass from this life, or are you already teaching some other generation to hate as you do? Whose mind have you corrupted and whose love and spirit for humanity have you killed.


I had to place this reply here as well as the "Detroit Memories" post.

This person is so poisonous that race is all she sees and hatred for blacks seems to be her main purpose for even posting on this board.

Even when the original poster asked for this post not to be turned into a race bash/confrontation this person iacts just like a crackhead, the hate blacks, they did it all, routine just controls her and has to escape somehow.

Please for once can we all just get along.

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by reconmark

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Please for once can we all just get along.

From the looks of your long rambling post (that I don't have to completely read, sorry)...no, we can't, Mr. King.

[reconmark]

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

From the looks of your long rambling post (that I don't have to completely read, sorry)...no, we can't, Mr. King.

You just prove my point, of course YOU can't get along with me because you are a racist. No matter the circumstances, with people like you, black and hate go hand in hand.

By the way you still didn't answer the question as to whether or not you are directing some people to white supremist boards.

[CHICAGOLAND92]

Originally Posted by reconmark

Join Date: Jan 2007
6 posts, read 972 times
Reputation: 15


Detriot memories

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RedWingsFan
Yeah, they need time to burn the other half of the homes on their own block down....

I'm sure I'm not the only one on here that's tired of your self serving rants about "them" or how they ruined everything about Detroit.

The thread was titled "your Detroit Memories" not let's get back on them and how they destroyed everything and race hate thread.

Now it's been said that you have given certain members of this board web sites specific to white supremacy, KKK, and Ayran Nation, and other hate groups. You can hate anyone you want including myself, even though you have never met me I'm black.

I can't help that you would refuse to admit any complicity in the state of affairs in the se mi area and that more than likely you have close family and friends who lived here in previous generations who helped create and maintain the hatred and segregation that has come to be se mi's greatest infamous legacy.

If a white person says they are moving to or have questions about detroit, you are the first one to start immediately bashing, stereotyping, and blaming blacks for every historical fault with the city, are you afraid that a white person who dosen't have your hatred and ignorance would come here and live w/o incident and thus start to erode just a little of the hysteria you throw around?

If you are a white supremist then just admit it and give everyone who reads your posts a chance to see where your real motivations and views stem from.

Again, if you choose to hate me because I'm black, I can live with that; because unfortunately some people choose to hate no matter what.

The truly sad part is that I have to tell my children who are all under 6yoa that sometimes people aren't going to like them because their skin is dark, I've also taught them that no one else is inheritly more intelligent, moral, or valuable than the are, and to accept and judge all people based on how they treat you and if they mistreat you be a better person and don't return hate with hate. I have to tell them these things because there are still people like you who would think and have everyone else around you think the worse of them simply because of their complections.

Mixed and bi-racial couples have to ask is it safe for their children in certain cities and areas not because of crime but because people like you live in the community, and would spew your toxic verbaige to anyone misguided enough to lend you an ear.

My question to you is this, is your racism going to die with you when you pass from this life, or are you already teaching some other generation to hate as you do? Whose mind have you corrupted and whose love and spirit for humanity have you killed.


I had to place this reply here as well as the "Detroit Memories" post.

This person is so poisonous that race is all she sees and hatred for blacks seems to be her main purpose for even posting on this board.

Even when the original poster asked for this post not to be turned into a race bash/confrontation this person iacts just like a crackhead, the hate blacks, they did it all, routine just controls her and has to escape somehow.

Please for once can we all just get along.

He/she/it does nothing but complain about Detroit, and how it's "the residents" fault the city is the way it is, and nothing is because of the white flight. If you look at some of her posts, they all say the same thing ("Move to Troy! It's the one of safest cities in the country" or "Don't go into Detroit. You'll get mugged") Grow up! You can speak for nobody except yourself. You can get mugged anywhere. Even in the suburbs. Just because it's Detroit doesn't make it any different.

Minorities came into the city, looking for a better life from down south. They didn't cause any trouble (I'm not saying they were innocent, but generally they minded their own business). Most of the crimes were white on black. Not black on black/black on white. Riots began because residents just got tired of all the mistreatment they got. Since the city used to be a majority white, it would make sense that most businesses were owned by whites. When they left, so did businesses. There were no resources for the minorities (mostly blacks) to use. And this is why Detroit is in the state it is in today. There are few resources. The school system is a mess. If the school system is a mess, how is there hope for improvement? The cycle will just continue.

I was in Detroit today. And I've seen the burned up houses. I've seen the trash everywhere. The boxed up houses, piles of trash. But the people I encountered, they were happy (maybe because I was at church, I dunno.) Nonetheless, it's not as bad as RedWingsFan makes it out to be. He/she talks for about 4.1 million whites when he/she says (blacks aren't welcomed in the nicer suburbs). I'm glad to know he/she has the opinion of 4.1 million people! I'm also glad to know he/she generalizes about every black in the Detroit metro area. It just shows their ignorance and opinionated thoughts.

Martin Luther King just wanted CIVILIZED people to be able to live among each other, not thinking about race. Because, we're all Americans. It shouldn't matter the color of our skin. If a place has crime, then a place has crime. It's not "all blacks commit crime", because we don't! We're just like everyone else. Why wouldn't we be? Unfortunately, we have people with extreme stupidity going around GENERALIZING.

In America today, things are segregated economically more than racially. But I guess there will always be that uneducated, opninionated, lost person trying to keep things how they were in the 1960s.

[dianne19]

Get rid of Quame and Graholm and put a big fire around the whole city, and re-build.

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by CHICAGOLAND92

You can get mugged anywhere. Even in the suburbs. Just because it's Detroit doesn't make it any different.

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Sure, it can happen anywhere. But your chances of getting mugged in Detroit are FAR FAR FAR greater than your chances of being mugged in say Troy! It makes a big difference of whether or not it's Detroit, Rochester or Bloomfield Hills. Don't kid yourself... look at the crime statistics and you will see what I'm talking about.
Also, you said you are black. Therefore I would think you would see the city of Detroit and it's history far different from my white family that took part in white flight. People see things differently.

[CHICAGOLAND92]

Originally Posted by RedWingsFan

Also, you said you are black. Therefore I would think you would see the city of Detroit and it's history far different from my white family that took part in white flight. People see things differently.

Well then let's compare (if you don't mind) how you see it to how I see. I can completely understand why you dislike the city of Detroit, even though you were born there. I'm sure you have memories of your own about the city. Your family decided to leave behind a house you grew up in, a place you used to hang out with friends, etc. You left because blacks started moving in. Well, if you (not just you, but the people that left in general) had stayed, how do you think things would have differed? I believe there would be less crime, and better race relations.
When blacks moved into the city, most crimes were white on black. Coming from down south, they knew what would happen if they did anything to whites. Down south (I did a little research), whites could basically do anything to black people, and not have to worry about anything happening to them. It wasn't the same for blacks. They wanted a better life, so they moved up north. If they wanted a better life, why would they commit crimes in a place they wanted to call home?
I don't know if you ever thought about this, but whites from southern states moved North for jobs in the auto industry too. Their racism didn't stay down south. When they moved up north, they brought their racism with them. So, if they could harass blacks down south, why would it be any different up north? Again, I'm not saying blacks were angels, some commited crimes back then, but not all of them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when riots began to occur it was after the Civil Rights Movement. Blacks began using their new found freedom so they could stop being oppressed. Unfortunately, ones that could afford to leave the city did.
Many Whites (and a few blacks) had most wealth. When the Civil Rights Movement ended, the blacks that could afford to leave the ghettoes they were forced to leave in left. Unfortunately, many whites left as well. Since the majority of whites held most of the wealth in Detroit had left, you would think the city would start to go downhill. When you factor in the decline of the auto-industry, it went even MORE downhill. So, you can see why the city is in the state it is now.
When there isn't any major capital/money in an area, crime arises. Not when an area has a large black population. Look at cities such as Friendly, MD, or Fort Washington, MD, (I know they're relatively small, but still have large black populations. For a big city probably some parts of Atlanta). They're safe, and economically doing well. So I can assume if a place is economically doing well, the people will be doing good also.
Why is there crime in the city now? Well, along with economic reasons, the introduction of gangs, and the downfall on the once inspirational, uplifting rap music took a toll on a large proportion of the country. Sure, blacks are commiting crimes in Detroit. Recognize, however, that the city has a majority black population. So it would make sense if most crimes were commited by blacks. Whites commit crimes too, but to a lesser extent because their population is smaller. A crime is a commited by a PERSON or a GROUP, not a RACE. Just because the city has a large black population doesn't mean all of the black residents in the city go around mugging and shooting people like they don't have common sense.
Detroit isn't a good place to raise a family. The school system is crumbling. Why? Not because of the people (some are a reason, but it's not the only reason), but because of the decline in population, and because the people that can afford to send their children to private schools are exactly doing that. I know there are wonderful people in the city that can't move, or send their children to the good schools because they don't have the money to do that.

This is why I started this thread. I want to help people in the city that deserve it. I was hoping to make a list of realistic things to help the city, and write aletter to the mayor or something. I didn't want it to become a messy debate about race. I don't know you, but I hope you can be a civilized person and understand why I get upset when people say things like "blacks do this, blacks do that." Because I don't like being put into categories that I don't fit in, but I get put in because of my skin color.

ps; Sorry it's so long, and I'm sorry if I stated facts more than once. I really don't feel like re-reading everything.

[westender]

Originally Posted by CHICAGOLAND92

Well, if you (not just you, but the people that left in general) had stayed, how do you think things would have differed? I believe there would be less crime, and better race relations.
When blacks moved into the city, most crimes were white on black

Where did you get that information? It's clearly wrong on its face. Detroit was vastly nonminority until the 1950s, and the majority of crimes were by white people against other white people, or, later, by black people against other black people. Generally different races were not cohabiting the same neighborhoods.

[CHICAGOLAND92]

Originally Posted by westender

Where did you get that information? It's clearly wrong on its face. Detroit was vastly nonminority until the 1950s, and the majority of crimes were by white people against other white people, or, later, by black people against other black people. Generally different races were not cohabiting the same neighborhoods.

Also, I looked up the 12th street riot on Wikipedia. They didn't murder people, but blacks could not get loans, their neighborhood (Paradise Valley) was destroyed, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_Street_Riot