Why I love Detroit: 13 stories on CNN (rain, good)

[Vicman]

Because *most* New Yorkers don't have to worry about crime. Most areas of New York are perfectly fine. Detroit is mostly devastated, mostly unsafe, etc. and it is the primary city in the region.

Originally Posted by Bluefly

I mean, no doubt New York City has tons of poverty and crime, but New Yorkers certainly don't focus on it.

And, the way school districts turn around is by having pioneers without kids come in a rebuild the tax base and stabilize neighborhoods.

AFAIK the population is decreasing and has been decreasing since the 1950s. Yes, there are some positive stories (Many I have read on detroitblog.org ) - But Detroit needs serious help

Detroit's corrupt, failing, and everything else negative, but almost 900,000 people live there. Some have positive stories to tell.

My main assessment is that one should describe Detroit's failings, but be a bit calmer about it.

Detroit needs for someone to squeeze its guts until it does something. That doesn't mean simply posting on a forum. It means doing Charles Bronson-like vigilantism and video and audio recording of criminals to shame them. It means harassment and scarlet lettering of corrupt city hall officials. Grab the city by the guts and make it do something.

Originally Posted by rmsi

Wow zthatzmanz28. It's seems that you've read a few of my posts and seem to know my whole life story! All of my motivations, everything I want to do... Can you email me my future too?

Although I am loath to want to address most of the many incorrect assumptions you made, I will tell you this: being from Arizona, if we were to move to Palmer Woods or to Boston Edison there would be no "pride" in saying I'm from Detroit... see, my friends and family don't know what that means. Well, what it means to you. Because to me it means pretty much nothing. Congratulations to you on "doing your time," as I believe you put it in another thread here (maybe I'm paraphrasing).

But I come to the end of this still unfulfilled. Tell me again why you need to tell everyone over and over how terrible Detroit is? In every thread? Because you're upset about it?

Maybe I'm just a bit slow, but I still don't get it.

And BTW, the sheer length and volume of posts by you in all of these threads belies the fact that I may've been right in post #5 - you just might have too much time on your hands, being in NC and spending so much time on a Detroit forum. There's a lovely North Carolina forum here on citydata where you can extol the virtues of Zebulon while reminding people that you're "from Detroit"... may be a better use of your time.

[zthatzmanz28]

Being in Zebulon says it all. Thanks for caring so much about why I am no longer a cheerleader for DETROIT..

Detroit needs more people to come here to take advantage of its misery and find a new angle for making money--as long as it is in the dumps, there will be a job for me...is that paraphrase correct?

Zebulon doesn't care where I am from--that is what makes it so nice--no discrimination based on race or previous address....

as for a better use of my time--I seem to have the attention of at least one drone?

[zakian]

Originally Posted by rmsi

Not that this back and forth doesn't go on in EVERY thread here, but I wonder -- why? Why come on here and be so negative about Detroit? All you have to do is read through one thread to find that lots of people feel very strongly negative about Detroit.

But my question is: why feel the need to blast EVERY thread in here about your feelings? No one asked in this thread for an opinion about Detroit. It was simply a post to show an article.

Some of you guys have too much time on your hands. Sheesh.

It's not being negative,
IT'S BEING REALISTIC.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by zakian

It's not being negative,
IT'S BEING REALISTIC.

That's about the most beautiful words I have ever heard next to..

GUILTY at Kilpatrick's trial

And the most hopeful since

Dennis Archer took the oath as MAYOR..

There's a mystery? Why did a man as honorable and upright as Archer leave after ONLY one term?

What did he learn and see that caused him to "bail and ESCAPE" the city??

Just random thoughts of curiosity...

[rmsi]

Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28

Detroit needs more people to come here to take advantage of its misery and find a new angle for making money--as long as it is in the dumps, there will be a job for me...is that paraphrase correct?

"Take advantage of its misery" and "a new angle for making money"? Awesome. See, that's why I went into social services. To make money. Dangit, you sure got me there! Does it hurt your head to make such dramatic assumptions, or have you gotten to the point that it's just second nature?

See, social work is about grassroots change... change to bureaucracies and change to political systems. Although I have some skill at it, I certainly can't do my small part in Detroit from here in Scottsdale. Thus my consideration of moving to Detroit.

But oh sweet sweet zthatzmanz... you have shown me the error of my ways! Because of your wonderful and witty repartee I have decided to keep my skills and my money here in Arizona, where they are also needed.

Hopefully you can continue to run people off, and then Detroit really will die, thus legitimizing your move away. I congratulate you.

BTW, from "But..." to "...congratulate you." -- all sarcasm.

Back to the thread: I take no issue with news articles about why people love Detroit. Bully for them. And at that, I will bow out of this thread.

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Hmm, the only thing that article is missing is the hookah-smoking caterpillar.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by rmsi

"Take advantage of its misery" and "a new angle for making money"? Awesome. See, that's why I went into social services. To make money. Dangit, you sure got me there! Does it hurt your head to make such dramatic assumptions, or have you gotten to the point that it's just second nature?

Originally Posted by rmsi

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See, I'm considering moving there. From Scottsdale, Arizona even. Gasp! No rose-colored glasses, no "Detroit is great and on the road to recovery!" delusions... And hey, I'm a social worker - so I'll be in a job for quite a while even if the city continues on it's downward trajectory...

Adios...

[marylee54]

[quote=rmsi;8751018]Not that this back and forth doesn't go on in EVERY thread here, but I wonder -- why? Why come on here and be so negative about Detroit? All you have to do is read through one thread to find that lots of people feel very strongly negative about Detroit.

But my question is: why feel the need to blast EVERY thread in here about your feelings? No one asked in this thread for an opinion about Detroit. It was simply a post to show an article.



Why indeed? I moved away from Detroit 20 years ago and never regretted the decision. but why do I feel drawn to such boards, only to see the same thing over and over again, that Detroit is a dead city that will probably never come back? I do ask myself why I torture myself with such articles, picutres, etc.

I feel like a refugee, with no homeland to go back to, even for a visit. I can't take my kids on a tour of my past, my old neighborhood is torn down, my former schools are destroyed, my former church is now a drug rehab clinic, my haunts in downtown, like Hudsons, are gone. My family's all gone from the area now.

Also, I really want to express my opinon that Detroit is a lost cause for those looking to move there, thinking its somehow an opportunity. I hate to see others crawling in to what I fled from. You have only one life to live, where you live is an important decision. You need to look before you leap, boards such as these provide insight to form that decision. I hate to see people fooled by the optimists into thinking they have a chance in Detroit then waste precious time and resources only to find out otherwise.

So I guess I, like many people, feel a need to validate my decision--I did make the right decision, to leave everything and everyone I knew for a better life. Looking back from the future, I see I made the right decision. Perhaps that's why others also frequent such boards. Better to think of the positives along the way! God rest Detroit, she was a grand old city!

Ummm....this wasn't meant to stir anything, just a general answer as to why someone would have repeated negative posts about Detroit, not in response to any one particular post, just my feelings, wondering why I even bother to look back, just curiosity about the path not taken...............I gotta get off this board and get some sleep! Nite, everyone!

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by marylee54

Why indeed? I moved away from Detroit 20 years ago and never regretted the decision. but why do I feel drawn to such boards, only to see the same thing over and over again, that Detroit is a dead city that will probably never come back? I do ask myself why I torture myself with such articles, picutres, etc.

I feel like a refugee, with no homeland to go back to, even for a visit. I can't take my kids on a tour of my past, my old neighborhood is torn down, my former schools are destroyed, my former church is now a drug rehab clinic, my haunts in downtown, like Hudsons, are gone. My family's all gone from the area now.

Also, I really want to express my opinon that Detroit is a lost cause for those looking to move there, thinking its somehow an opportunity. I hate to see others crawling in to what I fled from. You have only one life to live, where you live is an important decision. You need to look before you leap, boards such as these provide insight to form that decision. I hate to see people fooled by the optimists into thinking they have a chance in Detroit then waste precious time and resources only to find out otherwise.

So I guess I, like many people, feel a need to validate my decision--I did make the right decision, to leave everything and everyone I knew for a better life. Looking back from the future, I see I made the right decision. Perhaps that's why others also frequent such boards. Better to think of the positives along the way! God rest Detroit, she was a grand old city!

Ummm....this wasn't meant to stir anything, just a general answer as to why someone would have repeated negative posts about Detroit, not in response to any one particular post, just my feelings, wondering why I even bother to look back, just curiosity about the path not taken...............I gotta get off this board and get some sleep! Nite, everyone!

LONG LIVE DETROIT....I will treasure the memories of the city I love for ever...sometimes memories are all we have left.

I suppose it is like your first time....you never forget it and it is never as good..and you continue to compare the best with the present knowing it will NEVER be again what it once had been.

REVOLUTION COMES BEFORE MEDICATION!!


Before the Five Percenters there was Black Power and its creator, Stokely Carmichael.


His last words to his mother, before he died were,

"Revolution comes before medication."

In his heyday, Mr. Carmichael's he was a fiery leader in a fiery decade.
He first raised the "Black Power!" chant at a 1966 Mississippi march.
Mr. Carmichael was head of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.

[zthatzmanz28]

Just a concerned thought...Why 13 stories?

There isn't a 13 in elevators?

Suppose there is some secret message CNN is trying to pass on?