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Old 05-09-2012, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Taking all those meds my usual readings are between 18-22 it should be down around 5-6 for a non diabetic.. and where my doctor would like to see mine..
When i stopped taking all the meds last Thursday my first test gave me a reading of 10 followed by a 12 then 13 then 17 on Sunday and a 25 on Monday, todays reading is......26.5 guess its time to get back on the meds. lets hope the weight loss continues..
Don't give up, I think you're on the right track. I'm giving you some links for information you may want to research further:

Link between Low Magnesium and Diabetes Mellitus (2)
Chromium for Diabetes
Alpha Lipoic Acid Enhances Insulin Receptor Sensitivity
Relationship of Iodine and Diabetes

In his book "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" the late Dr. F. Batmanghelidj wrote chapters about cholesterol, diabetes and weight loss, perhaps you want to check with your local library to see if they have it or can get it for you through inter-library loan, it's a real eye-opener and in my own experience so far everything gets better when I remember to drink more water than I had been.
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Old 05-09-2012, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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Don't give up, I think you're on the right track. I'm giving you some links for information you may want to research further:

Link between Low Magnesium and Diabetes Mellitus (2)
Chromium for Diabetes
Alpha Lipoic Acid Enhances Insulin Receptor Sensitivity
Relationship of Iodine and Diabetes

In his book "Your Body's Many Cries For Water" the late Dr. F. Batmanghelidj wrote chapters about cholesterol, diabetes and weight loss, perhaps you want to check with your local library to see if they have it or can get it for you through inter-library loan, it's a real eye-opener and in my own experience so far everything gets better when I remember to drink more water than I had been.


I'm glad that you listed all of these supplements.

I am reading "Living the Lo Carb Life" by Jonny Bowden PhD. He goes over all of these and tells you why they are important to controlling your BS. I've bumped up all of mine to the levels recommended.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Miami, fl
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I sometimes wonder if some of this epidemic of Type2 diabetes maybe a manufactured problem by the drug companies.
In my particular case no one in my family history has had diabetes, all grand parents lived well into their 90's and Mom and Dad are in their late 80's with no major health problems.
I got diagnosed with type2 Diabetes about 15 years ago when my sugar levels were a bit higher than normal, started off with the Metformin, over the years i've cut out much crap food and basically dont eat anything out of a box,very seldom go to restaurants,work out an hour a day, gave up smoking and alcohol some years ago,and remain 50lbs overweight,
current medications =
3X 800mg Metformin per day.
1 X100mg of Januvia per day
2X5mg Glyburide twice a day.
3 injections of humalog per day (14 units)
1 shot of Lantus once a day (70 units)
With all those drugs my sugar levels are now 3X above normal..
Yeah i do tend to eat more than necessary but not as much as i used to and the quality of the food i eat is much improved over what i was eating when first diagnosed. I dont get it, every time i go to the doctor he gives me more drugs and my sugar keeps going higher, i'm wondering just how high my sugar levels would be if i just stopped taking all these medications.....
Here are just a few of my thoughts after researching - mostly with wikipedia but also some pubmed:

3X 800mg Metformin per day.
Metformin blocks gluconeogenesis - the process of breaking down fatty acids and proteins into glucose. This reduces blood sugar - however leaves users susceptible to hypoglycemia as gluconeogenesis is important to elevate blood glucose during times of starvation. Also may slow down the body's ability to burn fat from exercise.

1 X100mg of Januvia per day
Promotes the action of GLP-1 and GIP - both stimulate insulin release and GLP-1 decreases glucagon release. The net effect is a reduction of blood sugar. Upon reaching homeostatic levels of blood glucose GLP-1 prevents further action of insulin. This could result in staving off the subsequent hunger caused by insulin induced hypoglycemia. In case this drug still works through the increase of insulin activity - this encourages excess calories to be converted to fat - so without change in diet this drug will ultimately fail.

2X5mg Glyburide twice a day.
This drug works by stimulating beta cell release of insulin. Similar to all strategies that look to increase insulin, the net effect is a conversion of excess glucose to fat. Unlike Januvia this drug has no protection against insulin induced hypoglycemia - thus will probably increase the rate the user becomes hungry again and thus will probably increase overall caloric intake.

3 injections of humalog per day (14 units)
Humalog is a genetically modified version of Insulin. Action is similar. Natural insulin has a tendency to bind to one another into groups of 2 or even 6. These are relatively inactive forms - the genetic modifications prevent this making Humalog more potent gram for gram compared to standard insulin shots. As with all drugs utilizing this strategy - targeting insulin meets the immediate need of lowering blood glucose - however has no long term benefits and assuming lack of lifestyle change this strategy will ultimately fail.

1 shot of Lantus once a day (70 units)
Another Insulin Analog - this one is formulated to provide slow release throughout the day to provide blood glucose support with lower risk of severe hypoglycemia.

In summary - I'd say these drugs do nothing for a long term solution and it is up to you with proper diet and exercise to save yourself. I really don't understand what your doctor is thinking by applying so many drugs to target insulin action - is this common for type II diabetes treatment?
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Miami, fl
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Returning to the original thread - I read about this in the endocrinology magazine and don't entirely buy it. The data comes from the Women's Health initiative and of the 154,000 women in the study who started without diabetes - 11,000 of them were taking statins. In comparing the 11,000 taking statins against the 143,000 who were not - 9.9% of statin takers reported they had diabetes compared to 6.6% of non-statin takers.

Of course this makes sense as a person taking statins probably has to do so because of lifestyle - likely high fat diet and lack of exercise. Chances are statin takers are much further along on the path to obesity than non-statin takers so the likelihood that they go on to diabetes at a higher rate is no surprise. In fact I am surprised this number is so low! If anything this probably speaks more to the ability of statins to prevent the progression to diabetes.

I could see statins going either direction. One target of statins is NF-Kappa B. This is a protein that leads to increased inflammation. Inflammation is one of the mechanisms that drives obesity - so it is entirely possible through prevention of NFkB statins can slow obesity and diabetes. On the flip side NFkB is also important to regulate muscle turnover - so by blocking it it leaves one at risk for muscle atrophy. As muscles waste away this diminishes a person's ability to burn calories and promotes obesity.

So who knows!! Anyone want to fund my grant?
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:46 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Don't give up, I think you're on the right track. I'm giving you some links for information you may want to research further:

Link between Low Magnesium and Diabetes Mellitus (2)
Chromium for Diabetes
Alpha Lipoic Acid Enhances Insulin Receptor Sensitivity
Relationship of Iodine and Diabetes
I'm a little confused about the iodine link. Here's part of what it said:
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She was recommended to start on 50 mg of iodine(4 tablets) at that time. One week later she called us requesting to lower the level of insulin due to having problems with hypoglycemia.
I have some kelp iodine tabs in my medicine cabinet so I went and got them out and found that the recommended daily dose is one 225 mcg tablet which gives you 150% of your daily requirement. So, to get to 1 mg, I'd have to take four of them and to get to 50 mg, I'd have to take 200 pills! I take it that this is one of those "don't try this at home" type projects? Or that this is a therapeutic dose that is used temporarily. I have heard some interesting claims about iodine supplementation though so I will keep reading.
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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I'm a little confused about the iodine link. Here's part of what it said:
I have some kelp iodine tabs in my medicine cabinet so I went and got them out and found that the recommended daily dose is one 225 mcg tablet which gives you 150% of your daily requirement. So, to get to 1 mg, I'd have to take four of them and to get to 50 mg, I'd have to take 200 pills! I take it that this is one of those "don't try this at home" type projects? Or that this is a therapeutic dose that is used temporarily. I have heard some interesting claims about iodine supplementation though so I will keep reading.
You are right, that is a therapeutic dose employed by several doctors these days, and it's very controversial. There have been quite a few people who have tried this "protocol" on their own (including myself in 2007) but that's a personal risk I cannot encourage anyone else to take for obvious reasons, besides, there can be bothersome side effects, which according to the 3 pioneering doctors (Guy Abraham, Jorge Flechas & David Brownstein) are NOT produced directly by iodine but by the other halogens (like bromide, abundant in pesticides, and flouride, in drinking water, toothpaste and lots of medications) which had been taking its place and/or heavy metals like cadmium. lead, etc., which begin to be purged.

The only thing that I can recommend is that you learn more about it, perhaps you'd like to look up the above doctors websites and write them if they're not near you, I do know for a fact that the last two have websites as I have bookmarked them, in fact, I have a lot of links saved, and here's one where you can find some very good audio files:
Audio Iodine at CureZone File & Image Gallery. That website also has a forum for iodine, and there's a Yahoo group as well which was founded by someone who had thyroid cancer and was treated by Dr. Brownstein successfully after the medical community told her there was nothing more they could do for her because she had reached the limit of radioactive iodine (which is BAD for us) she could be given.


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Old 05-11-2012, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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I'm glad that you listed all of these supplements.

I am reading "Living the Lo Carb Life" by Jonny Bowden PhD. He goes over all of these and tells you why they are important to controlling your BS. I've bumped up all of mine to the levels recommended.
That's great! I like to see that the word is spreading, and it's up to each of us to continue to do that, too many people are suffering unnecessarily due to our "modern" way of eating and living.

I myself need to lower my carb intake once again, don't know how my BS is right now, I am/was hypoglycemic and at times my BS has been a little high, but nothing diet could not fix. I'm now waiting on some lab tests so we'll see how soon I will have to go low-carb! Many years ago I did the Atkins Diet a few times. It was tremendously effective the first time but not so subsequently, several years had passed and I believe my thyroid had already slowed down, and then I learned that going too low-carb slows it even more . So after that I tried a modified "Schwarzbein Plan" which allows more carbs.
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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That sounds awful. I have felt like that after taking BP meds and walking through the grocery store. I would rather the natural way and am going to try the MV. Glad you mentioned it.
I think BP meds should be prescribed by a specialist. A regular internal med guy (my first doctor, the one who prescribed drugs) needs to do a lot of tweaking until he gets the dosage right.

Some people get upset going to doctors and their BP rises. So the doctor over prescribes the meds.

When I came back to tell him my experience, he looked kind of disgusted.

Some doctors are very sensitive to your quality of life and look at whatever side effects you have and prescribe very small doses of various BP meds to keep side effects to a minimum. There are 'compounding' pharmacies that will combine meds, by prescription, like this.

Sometimes people have to choose between a long, but low quality many side effects) life and a shorter, but more fulfilling life.

You are very lucky if you live in an area with many doctors, who are competing with each other, having a chance to find someone who will work with you, rather than someone who just writes a prescription and hopes not to see you again until you pay him for next month.
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Old 06-20-2014, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Simi Valley
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I have just started a new blog about my experiences with Simvastatin. I am trying to build up a large enough database that eventually the blog becomes a main resource for others. And, I want to become a huge thorn in the side of Teva Pharmaceuticals and the billionaire George Soros, who is a controlling share holder in the company. The purpose? To force not only the pharmaceuticals, but the Supreme Court, to be responsible for the damage being caused to users of statins.

Currently the Supreme Court has ruled that pharmaceutical companies who are makers of generic drugs cannot be held liable for damages, therefore patients who have been harmed cannot sue. This is wrong and needs to be challenged.

So far my tenacity has gotten me as far as receiving contact from one of Teva's research doctors, who requested permission to review my medical records. However, this was back in October 2013 and they have since dropped the ball.

Please take the time to visit and post your story. Lets get the word out in one place instead of having to search all over the internet. Simvastatin Nightmares
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Old 06-28-2014, 01:46 AM
 
Location: State of Grace
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A1c numbers would not change that fast. I believe he is in Europe and their numbers are different than ours, not sure exactly how but I have seen numbers that if an American had them, they would be dead.
We measure BG differently in Canada too. To obtain the U.S. equivalent, simply multiply by 18. For example, a FBG of 90 in the U.S. would be a reading of 5 in Canada and Europe.

Hope this helps.

Mahrie.
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