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Unread 02-11-2011, 07:40 AM
 
Location: NC
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Hold on, why didn't Weight Watchers work for you? Be honest. Did you follow it properly?
I was wondering the same thing.

I can't imagine it not working unless there was some underlying medical condition.

I assume it's not that WW didn't work, but that it was too much work to do the program. You have to weigh/measure and journal/count EVERYTHING that you eat which can be a PITA the first 2 weeks or so. Once you get used to their points system though it becomes second nature.

After that first 2-3 weeks it was easy to eyeball a correct portion size and figure points out. Though I will admit sometimes I still measure to keep in check or if it's something I don't normally eat.

WW is really just another method to counting calories. 1 WW point is equal to about 50 calories and most people get 29 points per day plus 49 "bonus points" to spend for the week. You don't have to use the bonus points but they are there if you need them.
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Unread 02-11-2011, 08:06 AM
 
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WW doesn't work for everyone. No single diet does.
I agree with the others. Don't approach it as a diet, it's a change in eating habits. And don't be in a hurry-it's taken you umpteen yrs to gain it. It won't come off over night.
Figure out what's wrong with the way you're eating now and change one or two things at a time.
And I'd recommend starting with increasing water intake.
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Unread 02-11-2011, 08:57 AM
 
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Make an honest food journal of everything you eat and drink for a week and i do mean everything and i do mean be honest, also include the time you eat it..
Then post it here and we'll tell you where you are going wrong..
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Unread 02-11-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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If you give your body lots of fresh, unprocessed (preferably raw) vegetables, fruits, nuts and seeds; as well as lots of whole grains (as minimally processed as possible), your body has a better chance of getting what it needs.

Many vegetarians have a lot of trouble keeping weight ON (if they do not eat vegetarian junk food). There is a school of thought out there that says people should eat fat (google "Weston Price Foundation" for more info) but I am not sure about that. I think that the fats you get from oils is sufficient.
i would like to respectfully put in a word from a different viewpoint. although eating what is recommended above would probably be 'better' than the typical SAD, it doesn't mean it's best. I particularly disagree with the recommendation to eat lots of seeds, whole grains, and get your fat from oils. that is terrible advice. eliminate all of these things. the only fats you should get from eating oils is that of coconut oil, ev olive oil, and ghee. there is no reason on this planet to intentionally consume vegetable (seed) oils. the unstable polyunsaturated fats are pro-inflammatory. it is the worst of the fats. it's omega-6. i highly recommend against it.

the weston a price foundation has been helping people regain their health for many years now. i can't say i agree with everything on their site, but about 90%, which is pretty good. personally, i eat loads of saturated fats from healthy sources. mainly beef, butter, cream, coconut oil, ghee, bacon, eggs. i also eat a fair amount of monounsaturated fats in avocado, pecans, almonds, olive oil. i am not fat, in fact very muscular. i do not have diabetes. i have no known diseases. my trigs are low. my hdl is healthy. and i feel great.

i am not doing the 'atkins' diet. i do not eat processed meats with chemicals and preservatives. i do not gorge on nasty foods just because they are 'low carb'. i switched to a whole foods, nutrient dense diet, getting most of my calories from healthy fats from whole, natural foods, i quickly lost about 13 pounds (163 to 150), which revealed a six pack of abs under the bit of flab i had previously.

regardless of anyone's opinion, that is my true story. i am eating this way every single day, and it works.
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Unread 02-11-2011, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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whats a whole food?

because im feeling generous im going to give the top secret diet advice that the professionals dont want you to know. here you are:

eat fewer calories
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Unread 02-11-2011, 10:20 AM
 
Location: NC
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WW doesn't work for everyone. No single diet does.
I agree with the others. Don't approach it as a diet, it's a change in eating habits. And don't be in a hurry-it's taken you umpteen yrs to gain it. It won't come off over night.
Figure out what's wrong with the way you're eating now and change one or two things at a time.
And I'd recommend starting with increasing water intake.
WW is basically counting calories. It is not a "diet". It's a lifestyle change and they give you the tools to teach you how to make those changes, which is basically to make better choices, eat the proper portion size and count your calories.

I guess I can't see how it wouldn't work for someone.
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Unread 02-11-2011, 10:27 AM
 
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I suggest you go on a lifetime eating habit change and maybe look at your excercise. It will lose you weight over a time and mean your much more likely to keep it off. Also most physcian say losing and gaining can be unhealthy lifestyle.You also might want a physical before starting.
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Unread 02-11-2011, 11:33 AM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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the only fats you should get from eating oils is that of coconut oil, ev olive oil, and ghee. there is no reason on this planet to intentionally consume vegetable (seed) oils. the unstable polyunsaturated fats are pro-inflammatory. it is the worst of the fats. it's omega-6. i highly recommend against it.
I agree with you 100 percent. (but I do include fish oil in that list). Vegetable oils are usually made from GMO products which is a whole other problem I won't go into.

But yes. You are right. Coconut, olive oil (cold pressed, ev), fish oil, butter, even lard (from grass-fed, no hormones, no antibiotic swine). No polyunsaturated. No corn, peanut, safflower, etc., oils.

Thank you for clarifying this. You are spot on.

20yrsinBranson
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Unread 02-11-2011, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default Further discussion on fat intake

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i would like to respectfully put in a word from a different viewpoint. although eating what is recommended above would probably be 'better' than the typical SAD, it doesn't mean it's best. I particularly disagree with the recommendation to eat lots of seeds, whole grains, and get your fat from oils. that is terrible advice. eliminate all of these things. the only fats you should get from eating oils is that of coconut oil, ev olive oil, and ghee. there is no reason on this planet to intentionally consume vegetable (seed) oils. the unstable polyunsaturated fats are pro-inflammatory. it is the worst of the fats. it's omega-6. i highly recommend against it.

the weston a price foundation has been helping people regain their health for many years now. i can't say i agree with everything on their site, but about 90%, which is pretty good. personally, i eat loads of saturated fats from healthy sources. mainly beef, butter, cream, coconut oil, ghee, bacon, eggs. i also eat a fair amount of monounsaturated fats in avocado, pecans, almonds, olive oil. i am not fat, in fact very muscular. i do not have diabetes. i have no known diseases. my trigs are low. my hdl is healthy. and i feel great.

i am not doing the 'atkins' diet. i do not eat processed meats with chemicals and preservatives. i do not gorge on nasty foods just because they are 'low carb'. i switched to a whole foods, nutrient dense diet, getting most of my calories from healthy fats from whole, natural foods, i quickly lost about 13 pounds (163 to 150), which revealed a six pack of abs under the bit of flab i had previously.

regardless of anyone's opinion, that is my true story. i am eating this way every single day, and it works.
The sentence which I place in bold type above is directly counter to the advice given by most nutritional scientists, who are telling us to minimize saturated fats. And bacon?? Wow, with the nitrates and all?? I'm glad it's working for you, but as general advice it's questionable at best. You are getting gobs of calories from all that fat - 9 calories per gram from fats as opposed to 4 calories per gram from carbohydrates and proteins, as I'm sure you already know. In your case there is no weight problem, and good for you, but you must do something to burn that many calories off, and for many people your fat intake would be counterproductive for weight control. I do agree, however, about the monosaturated fats in almonds, pecans, avocados, etc. You might be interested in reading Dr. Neal Barnard about people who are already diabetic and the success he's had by severly restricting fats. I was highly skeptical when I started his book (it just sounded odd and "fringe" to me) but was impressed by the mainstream nature of his evidence.
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Unread 02-11-2011, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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all of this mumbo jumbo people talk about with regard to organic stuff, GMO stuff, grass fed anti biotic free stuff is all just personal preference with no real benefit to the consumer. just because people think it sounds healthier doesnt really make it healthier.
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